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The West was moving to the right — and then Donald Trump got elected again

Something is happening among America's allies, and it's a tremendous relief. For some years now, we've seen the MAGA-infused global right gaining a foothold amongst western democracies, largely driven by the same demagogic, nationalist, pseudo-populism that has fueled Donald Trump's dominance on the American right.

Some countries like Hungary have served as a sort of experiment for the kind of post-democratic autocracies dreamt of by the modern right wing in which government co-opts, intimidates and de-legitimizes the political opposition to create an authoritarianism that dominates the culture and the politics without a lot of overt violence.

But the rise of the far right among the Western allies seems to be stalling out.

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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 243 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (7 children)

Celebrating prematurely. The UK is about to go fascist, Germany is teetering on the brink, and Canada only just dodged a bullet for now.

[–] Xaphanos@lemmy.world 98 points 20 hours ago (2 children)
[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 103 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (2 children)

Yes, Italy, Hungary and others are already well down the fascist path. Romania just went fascist. Austria is struggling not to be wholly under the far right's control, depending on a coalition to hold them off. The far right has significant power in the governments of Slovakia, Netherlands, Finland, and Sweden. Portugal and Belgium are also dealing with surging far right movements.

It's absurd to conclude it's over because centrism squeaked through in Canada and Australia. It's like everyone relaxing in 2020 because the US public were sure to see sense under Biden.

[–] andrew0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

I heard that Poland is also cheering for some MAGA guy in the next election... Troubling times ahead.

For Romania, there might still be a chance in the run-off. However, the difference between the two candidates was quite large (20% difference; 1.8 million votes). Similarly, the other candidates seemed to have voters that would rather vote for the nazi. Most likely all hope is lost, but that 1% chance is still there.

[–] ijedi1234@sh.itjust.works 11 points 19 hours ago

And Portugal overthrew fascism in the 1970s, too...

[–] FistingEnthusiast@lemmynsfw.com 15 points 19 hours ago

Italy has always been a joke, Hungary too

Greece was coming frighteningly close to nazism a few years back

It's so frustrating to see

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 38 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

The UK is a bit away from "about to go fascist"

Nigel (Nazi-youth-song-singing, frequent RT guest apologist for Putin & emphatic volunteer for 2nd in line of any future human trumpepede) Farage is as close to actual power as he's ever been—which is not at all.

His party's existence actually potentially helps more reasonable parties because he is splitting the right wing vote

[–] damdy@lemm.ee 24 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Labour are going to have to come up with something soon though or things could go bad; I get it's their first year and they're doing unpopular things early so they're not fresh for next election, but they're really unpopular right now.

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[–] iamnotme@feddit.uk 20 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

We don’t have a general election for another 4 years in the UK.

Reform won some council seats and are already having issues.

[–] WolfmanEightySix@piefed.social 5 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

The fact that they’re getting this far bothers me though.

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[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 7 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

What? No. All our (Canadian) fascists are gonna separate and join the US. Then we’ll be a fascist-free country!

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[–] Monstrosity@lemm.ee 96 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Fascism. It's called Fascism, not, "Trumpism."

So fucking stupid.

[–] mriswith@lemmy.world 27 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

At this point, if a news outlet or politician refuse to call it what it is, I assume they actually approve.

So far it's most of them across the world.

[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

I think a lot of them are afraid of being censored by the fascism for being alarmist. And then trying to hold onto a position of relative power via information is a tricky one, because you have to balance not only your tv station, but the backers, your audience, your managers, your coworkers, your position, your career, and also your life. These people are really REALLY risk adverse, for many different reasons. I'm not justifying it, but I'm imagining this is at least the intuition that some may be working through. Explanation is not justification.

[–] LogicalFallacy@lemm.ee 5 points 6 hours ago

So much for the 4th estate

[–] ButteryNickel@lemmy.wtf 57 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Better late than never I suppose. Congrats everyone else.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 37 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

I'll take it. Really. It sucks for us. But if this is what it takes to get everyone else to kick this bullshit ass ideology and actually get on with progress over stagnation let's fucking go.

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[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 51 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

As long as neoliberals are the only alternative, fascism will always come back.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 13 points 18 hours ago

You mean modern liberals? Neoliberalism is about as far-right as fascism.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 47 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I honestly don’t see a way out of this other than a war against the fascists. Something like the American civil war where the racists got their asses thoroughly beaten, or WWII, where the Nazis got absolutely crushed. I feel like it’s just one of those things that pops up once in a while. Basically, fascists are the herpes of society.

[–] DarkGamer@fedia.io 41 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

This American situation is partly the long tail of the failure of reconstruction; Confederates got their asses handed to them but they were never properly removed from power. Now the racists are once again in charge, their monuments still stand, their flag is still flown, and the southern strategy is central to their political power.

Compare this to Germany, who stripped Nazis from power, outlawed their symbols, and have guard rails to prevent fascist movements from rising again. (They are now being used against AfD.)

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 17 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Exactly this. The Confederates should never have been allowed to rejoin society.

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[–] Don_alForno@feddit.org 10 points 13 hours ago

Compare this to Germany, who stripped Nazis from power, outlawed their symbols, and have guard rails to prevent fascist movements from rising again. (They are now being used against AfD.)

Don't know where you're getting that from.

Most Nazis were never actually stripped from positions of power after the war (teachers, public services, our secret services, political parties, I could go on). Outlawing their symbols did fuck all obviously and isn't even enforced as long as you don't go around outright spraying swastikas on walls in broad daylight (or are an antifascist displaying one thrown into a bin, crossed out or otherwise clearly used with an opposing intention). The people in power are unwilling to use the guardrails and systems that we have to prevent Nazis from rising to power again. Meanwhile we have an extremism problem in our police force who won't protect anybody from the mob when the time comes, and a "conservative" party that's just always lagging 5 years behind the AfD in their policies, racing ever further to the right in their wind shadow.

We're fucked.

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[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 29 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

It's not Trumpism, it's fascism.

[–] lupusblackfur@lemmy.world 13 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

😂

Those things are, in fact, equivalent.

[–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 12 points 18 hours ago

Squares are to rectangles as Trumpism is to fascism.

[–] shirro@aussie.zone 24 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (5 children)

I think US commentators make far too much of Trump and US political influence on the world. It exists but we all have our own cultures, political systems etc out here and we proudly do our own thing. The arrogance of people on all sides of US politics who think an election result on the other side of a world is a reflection of their own domestic politics is incredible.

It would be convenient if the rest of the world could fix a broken US democracy but it is a fantasy. US citizens need to address their problems through struggle and resistance. Their current problems runs very deep in their society and isn't simply an international fashion trend.

[–] NIB@lemmy.world 21 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

If you check the polls, nothing changed in Australia to justify the rapid drop of the right wing, except Trump.

[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 10 hours ago

Lieberals were in front for a long time, and then trump started his bullshit and Labor came from behind and soared into victory.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 19 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I mean the world can fix a broken US democracy by boycotting the US entirely on all fronts until a democratic country emerges.

This will take a while though as we have seen with South Africa.

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[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 20 points 4 hours ago

Wish we could have done this before the fucker was elected.

[–] Binky@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 18 hours ago

One can hope, but each time I get optimistic, some crazy bullshit goes down.

[–] RizzoTheSmall@lemm.ee 17 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I can't speak for all of us, but I don't think "the world" at large ever supported "Trumpism" and we largely have always thought him to be a gigantic tit and those who voted him into office TWICE to be idiotic or miseducated.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 10 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

If you replace "Trumpism" with "fascism", it has clearly been on the rise all around the world for a decade or so now, and it's taking over more and more countries all the time. However it's far from clear that we've reached any kind of turning point where fascism starts to become less popular worldwide, just because of some fairly limp election results in Canada and Australia.

[–] MTK@lemmy.world 10 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Ironically the crazy economic shitstorm that Trump made might just be the wakeup call the world needed. Hopefully he doesn't get to reach the whole mass murder stage of his plans.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 9 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Salon, huffpo, msnbc ffs. These are the hopium sites favored by the beaten left, because actual corporate journalism collapsed under it’s own ignorance and greed a long time ago.

The NYT will trot out a hopium piece every once in awhile like rainbow-flagging-the-logo for Pride month, but it’s all clickbait.

Who are you going to vote for in the midterms? The left needs to get its shit together. Propaganda, corruption, and blatant lies are kicking our ass.

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[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 9 points 20 hours ago

Can we sequester him? In the dirt, please?

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 8 points 1 hour ago

Hopefully, Trump and his pals cause other nations to say "The Heritage Foundation is a terrorist organization." Just because Heritage doesn't directly kill people, doesn't change the fact that they will dismantle the world's universal healthcare, food standards, and more just to make some rich person feel good.

[–] FistingEnthusiast@lemmynsfw.com 7 points 19 hours ago

The Australian election is a perfect example of people voting against something. It's not that Labor were particularly palatable (I personally voted for the Greens), but the alternate of Temu Trump was more than most people could countenance

The nation collectively voted for the lesser evil

I'm hugely relieved, but the most interesting thing is the vote from the younger cohort who have aged a bit. It's not news to anyone who pays attention to politics, but they usual shift rightward with age isn't happening to the same degree

[–] jabeez@lemmy.today 7 points 5 hours ago

And has the world said thank you, even once?

[–] Binky@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 15 hours ago

I sure hope this is right…

[–] lupusblackfur@lemmy.world 6 points 19 hours ago

But the rise of the far right among the Western allies seems to be stalling out.

Sorry, wut??

Can't imagine what in the screaming goat fuck would lead you to this conclusion other than pure blind idiocy...

🤷‍♂️ 🤡 🖕

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 5 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

You have to wonder what infects the minds of people such that they fall for this in other countries.

I have a good idea what does it here.

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[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 5 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I wouldn't give Trump the credit for this. Yeah he is a great example of how bad it can get but the move to the left has been long on its way and picking up speednfornsome time! Trump may have boosted a snowball that was already rolling

[–] entwine413@lemm.ee 6 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Except it's really not a move to the left, it's just a slight slowing down of the move to the right. Fascism is currently gaining footholds in much of the western world.

So, while the handful of left victories are great, it's super dangerous to frame them as a reversal of fascism.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 5 points 20 hours ago

I can't assuredly say we have beat conservative populism yet, but we are at least bringing competence to government.

The issue we haven't solved is that many young people now are coming of age upon a platter of socially engineered falsehood.

[–] Kyrrrr@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 19 hours ago

Headlines like this are for protecting the oligarchy. We all get involved until our lawmakers aren't old rich people. We pass laws that require oversight and transparency. We protect those institutions and laws that serve democracy with our lives.

[–] hardcoreufo@lemmy.world 5 points 17 minutes ago (1 children)

You're welcome rest of the world. Now be nice to those of us who have to suffer another 4 years.

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