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What do you keep living for? Is there a specific person, goal, or idea that you work for? Is there no meaning to life in your opinion?

Context: I've been reading Camus and Sartre, and thinking about how their ideas interact with hard determinism.

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[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

For me “it’s complicated”. I live with passive suicidal ideation on a daily basis. Some days are better than others, but generally speaking I don’t want to actually kill myself. However, the idea of being dead does not bother me as it ought other people.

That being said, I do stick around especially for my two sons. I could not bring myself to not be a part of their lives; especially right now as they are 12 and 10. I don’t want to rob them of their father, and I do want to see them through to when they have a life of their own and have their own family (whatever that may look like for them).

As for meaning in life: ultimately everything we do is only for the living. When I die, my life only matters to the people whom I was closest (my kids). Beyond that, who cares right? I have no delusions that I’ll be remembered by anyone else.

But I do have other things I’d like to achieve: find another love of my life, travel the world more, complete as much of my bucket list as possible (e.g. skydiving, bungee jumping, scuba diving, etc).

[–] squinky@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

The purpose of life is not served by fretting about what its purpose is.

It’s a bit like sitting on a roller coaster rubbing your chin and wondering how to monetize the experience. Just put your hands up and scream. It’s nice.

[–] tkk13909@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 month ago

I think one of the best phrases I've heard from the atheist community is "Do No Harm". Very similarly, the Golden Rule, which almost every civilization has a version of, says "Do to others that which you would have them do to you". Beyond that, there are no rules one must abide by. If you would wish others to stand up for you when you cannot, then do so for them. If you wish that people would help you when you are in need, do so to them.

Ultimately, you create your own meaning from the little things you find joy in and if you follow the Golden Rule then you can help others do the same.

For the meaning in life to is explore and play with my best friend…my wife. Even my career has switched to something that feels more like play than a grind for a corporation who enjoys the lion’s share of my labour.

[–] systemglitch@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Life is for two things. 1. Experience 2. Love.

I think I won at life.

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Yeah, I mean, ultimately meaning in life is what you make of it and the ideals you believe in. That varies from person to person. For me, it's those nights I can go outside and look at the dark night sky with a sea of light from other worlds, dream about going to them, and remembering how small our world is, and how much beauty there is in the universe beyond our own homes and lives. But, it's not that for everyone, sometimes it's the small stuff, a nice hot bath, or a really great cup of tea, or just going out in the sunshine on a cool crisp morning.

Ultimately, there isnt a right answer to this question. But I think it gets at the heart of it just by asking the question, life is what you make out of it.

[–] missandry351@lemmings.world 1 points 1 month ago

Pets, always work

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

I keep living at this point simply because God wants me alive. If He didn't, He would have killed me by now. When I was in a really dark place (I'm doing better now), I realised that killing myself was pointless, because if it was my time to die, God would take me from this life regardless. So God must still have a plan and uses for me and thus, I should still be alive, and that's meaning enough for the fact that my body continues to operate.

[–] possiblyaperson@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I've got a lot of respect for theists, and would truly love to be convinced of this sort of perspective. Thanks for bringing it to the table!

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Thank you! I don't want to seem pushy or pressuring, but what eventually convinced me was the historicity of Jesus Christ (as opposed to scientific arguments, etc) and it kind of hinged off of that.

This is what I watched.

[–] possiblyaperson@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Okay, I've watched the videos, but unfortunately they don't fix my main issue with the bible, that being there are no contemporary (as in written within the subsequent decades), non-Christian sources for any miracle alleged in the bible. In particular, the dead rising and walking around the towns on Good Friday as talked of in the Gospels isn't recorded in any Roman source we have from the time, and I think that such an act would have been recorded. It seems to me that it is more likely that these stories of miracles survived with Christians for a few hundred years, before being disseminated into the popular account of Jesus' life as Christianity grew in popularity.

They also don't fix any of my other problems with Christianity, such as the problem of evil, principally relating to animal suffering, or divine hiddenness. Still, I feel more informed than before, so thank you!

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Matthew 27:51-54

And behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. And the earth shook, and the rocks were split. The tombs also were opened. And many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised, and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many. When the centurion and those who were with him, keeping watch over Jesus, saw the earthquake and what took place, they were filled with awe and said, “Truly this was the Son of God!”

I struggled with the tomb openings as well. An interpretation I've heard for it is that they were spiritually resurrected, to show that they were free from Hades and appeared in spirit (Christians commonly refer to this as "The Harrowing of Hell") to show that. There isn't much of an indication that they were there for too long - the tombs breaking open could have been a result of the earthquake as well.

I think it is important to remember how records survived- There is no historical written record of Pompeii (which likely held a lot of high ranking Romans) being destroyed. Just a single reference to it by Pliny the Younger. It was likely witnessed by a quarter of a million people, though, yet all we know about it is archaeology. So I believe it is actually completely possible that the only written record we have of the saints breaking free from the tombs in a rebellious city on the edge of the empire is from Matthew. John even said more stuff happened that he couldn't even write down.

John 21:25 ESV

Now there are also many other things that Jesus did. Were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written.

It is also worth noting a similar objection existed to the existence of Pontius Pilate until 1961 when they found a rock with his name carved onto it, and from there it was treated as historical fact.

I believe how stuff was recorded then compared to now differs greatly. Something happens in a village here and several articles are written and published for the world to see. While back then, someone had to write it down on paper, and for that to survive until now the paper had to either not get destroyed over 200 years, or be copied several times.

[–] possiblyaperson@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I suppose my issue there is that you have shown the reasons I believe in the other events, but not in Jesus' miracles: we have archeological evidence for Pompeii, and a separate source for Pontias Pilate. If Pompeii had just been the offhand reference by Pliny then I don't know if it would be so easy to believe. But I've grown up able to literally see the ash covered bodies. And I think you've summed up the issue with Pilate exactly, that he was only known of from one source, until we had another corroborating it.

Should any extra evidence present itself for the rising of the dead on Good Friday, I'll be a lot more likely to come around, but I still don't think that it can be appropriately corooborated.

I really appreciate you taking the time to talk this out, I'm definitely something of a bible novice so your help is very appreciated :)

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The thing is, what archaeological evidence could you produce for Jesus' miracles? Same with dead people walking about for a few days. In terms of social status, Jesus was a peasant. Possibly the stepson of a carpentry business owner (since He seems to be well educated and referred to as a carpenter) so not growing up living in dirt, per say, but was still just an ordinary dude. I've heard some people make a case for the Shroud of Turin, but I wouldn't base my faith on it. As people also have opposite arguments and it kind of randomly appeared in like the fourteenth century. In terms of archaeology, I believe the best thing we have is evidence for the Church itself- followers of Jesus. If you don't mind me posting another YouTube video, here you go

[–] possiblyaperson@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Thanks for the video, will check it out!

I think that my main issue is that this stuff is just straight up supernatural, to the point where I would need hard evidence, for example contemporary accounts from people neutral towards or opposing Christianity before I could believe it. I'm not going to commit to believing in something unless there is appropriate evidence for it, and Jesus' miracles just happened too long ago to be verifiable.

I really appreciate you taking the time to talk to me about this!

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 2 points 1 month ago

That's understandable. Although I would say, that if someone from that time were to see Jesus' death and resurrection, they may be more inclined to believe.

However, Josephus does document Jesus and claim He is the Christ, and the Jewish Talmud claims He was a sorcerer and practitioner of dark magic. Pliny the Younger also documents Christian worship shortly after the time of Jesus.

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[–] auginator@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I live to be in peace, hang out with my cat and have fun. That’s pretty much it. Right now having fun is trying to fix an old radio.

[–] SamB@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Hey, this is broken. What if I dedicate my life fixing it, that would be cool. That’s how I found my meaning.

[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Life is what you make it. You get one life so make it count in some way. I ain't the boss of you, you decide what that is, just do something.

I like to learn and grow. I've settled into a good career and a family so now I'm thinking about projects I can take on. And I'll see where those take me.

Meanwhile, try to live a life that gets celebrated when you're gone.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

You're in luck, there's a whole movie devoted to this very topic.

Although, basically, it's nothing very special. Uh, try and be nice to people, avoid eating fat, read a good book every now and then, get some walking in, and try and live together in peace and harmony with people of all creeds and nations.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I stopped looking for external meaning in life a long time ago.

Look into nihilism (like actualy nihilism, not like "hurr durr I hate everything so I'm going to make the world suck" people who label themselves "nihilist"). It's actually very freeing.

Edit: Just saw your "Context," so it appears you're on that track already. I guess I lean more toward the, "there is no meaning, so stop wasting time and effort trying to find or invent it" side than the "create your own meaning" side.

I am not sure to be fair, right now I already have two goals, I want to finish my transition and I want to love and be loved for who I am. Once that is done I suppose I will feel fulfilled for a while, I might make art afterwards or something, I like making games and stuff so I'd likely try to do that I think !

My goal is to be happy and better the lives of as many people as I can!

[–] TomMasz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I ask myself this simple question: Are you making things better? I find meaning in helping others, and this is my guiding principle. I hope that when my time comes, I can say that I did make things better, that I did help others.

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