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This is the place for discussing the potential collapse of modern civilization and the environment.


Collapse, in this context, refers to the significant loss of an established level or complexity towards a much simpler state. It can occur differently within many areas, orderly or chaotically, and be willing or unwilling. It does not necessarily imply human extinction or a singular, global event. Although, the longer the duration, the more it resembles a ‘decline’ instead of collapse.


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[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 37 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The billionaires buy up everything they don't already have and we become a shithole Oligarchy like Russia?

[–] superniceperson@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

That'll just be the East Coast. The rest of the US will balkanize and advance while isolating trumplandia which will obviously stretch from Florida to New York.

[–] DetectiveNo64@lemmy.ca 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You guys really need to start rebelling.

[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 day ago

Burn shit, lie to cops, do a Luigi.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 16 points 2 days ago

it was slow collapse much like the USSR, have been going on since republican started taking over election rhetoric.

[–] Tikiporch@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Any minor world that breaks apart falls together again.

[–] Rajkuhl@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

And when the demon is at your door, in the morning it won't be there no more.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Tanks firing on the white house?

Is Boris Yeltsin still alive? Can we get him to stand on a tank again?

[–] DrSleepless@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Next they start trying to make homosexuality illegal

[–] LumpyPancakes@lemm.ee 7 points 2 days ago

Another Beatles song will show its age?

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

TL;DF. Is there a timeline that shows how long we get to suffer under this mess before it gets better?

[–] oppy1984@lemm.ee 13 points 1 day ago

Well the USSR fell 34 years ago and they are being ruled by the same autocrat dictator that they first elected 25 years ago, whether he's in the presidency or pulling the strings as prime minister.

Buckle up, the bigger they are the harder they fall, and the U.S. has been the biggest of them all. Best you can do is take care of you and yours and try to build relationships with your local community, that's what I'm doing. We're going to be on our own, D.C. will leave us with nothing but still expect total obedience and tax revenue. It's going to be rough.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I'm betting on balkanization.

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

Cold war followed by being the joke of the world forever?

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Just for fun I decided to make a map of what I think a post Union American might look like

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  • Free America: Collection of Liberal forces mostly backed by California, they have become so successful that they conquered traditionally conservative territory
  • Republic of Texas: Self explanatory, undemocratic Oligarchy and relatively successful
  • Union of American States: Loose union of agricultural states, highly unstable. Each state basically acts in their own intrests at the expense of the union.
  • United Confederacy of America: Ruled by a strongman dictator, economically semi-liberal, politically authoritarian, religiously fundamentalist (under the new United Church of America). Contains elements of Fascism, oligarchy, theocracy, classical fascism, liberalism, and corporatism. United States of America: Compromise centrist Democrat attempts to reconsolidate the nation, he fails. Whats left of the US is just shadowy forces consisting of the military (or parts of it), corporations, intelligence, and unkown government personal. Nobody knows who the president is, nobody knows whos in the senate, all people know is that resistance is illegal and so is resisting. They have no clear goals other than unification, they have no clear government policy, they recognize nobody, and they are held together exclusively through force and emergency wartime powers (the constitution is officially still in place but an amendment is passed that efficiency disables it indefinitely).
  • Republic of Canada: Liberal Canadian government but highly unstable due to influx of American refugees and war
  • Republic of Alaska: Its called Alaska but thats just the name, in reality its more of a broad coalition. They establish a classical liberal government but suffer from extreme instability. They also sell guns to Free America (smuggled from Russia)
  • Republic of Hawaii: Hawaii but an Independent Republic, parliamentary and vaugly social Democratic
  • Free Canada: Collection of Canadian troops who lost contact with the main army. They are actively working to reestablish contacts and reunite.
  • Confederation of Canada: Following Liberal rule the Canadian Conservatives formed a far-right authoritarian state.
[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Disappointing. These maps usually show Canada eating into the northern USA states, especially in the west.

[–] bufalo1973@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I get dividing the US after a civil war. But Canada?

And MAYBE Texas on it's own would not last long until Mexico "reclaims" it.

Canada is suffering from internal division as well, especially if a massive influx of American refugees arrive (which the Canadian government will not be prepared for). Additionally I doubt Mexico can win a war against Texas especially considering their instability.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 day ago

synergy between multiple, simultaneous ecological, energy and economic crises – what’s now fashionably called the ‘polycrisis’ – would, without systemic transformation, drive processes of state-militarisation and a shift to authoritarian control as incumbents seek to shore-up power and profits against the forces of disruption and destabilisation

This is the key to collapse. Incumbents is euphemism for oligarchy. Militarism and oil oligarchy/media always wins at democracy. When every other oligarch sides with them, then fascism is certain. Biden was most zionist neocon warmongering democrat chosen to replace the disaster of Trump 45. Biden's very slight pushback against the rich, was enough to get the rabid anti trans/immigrant fan base to go dedicated oligarchy, and money+media BSing people into Trump being better for economy. The Ukraine war is what lost it for Harris/Biden. Israel genocide was just more proof that US empire is complete piece of shit and not worth saving, but oil enrichment from Ukraine war, and extreme pushback they could fund against any human sustainability, combined with left being all in on war on Russia, for the mosts oil oligarchy enrichment, and inflation complaints, DNC all in on most zionist candidate, and the end was sealed.

That all human and national sustainability can never be prioritized over war means democracy can never achieve it. Pillaging the country into collapse always has a profit model. Human and national sustainability as a Maslow's hierarchy relevant concern, must be derailed if it means avoiding any constraints on US oligarchy, or for US empire colonies, constraints on US empire sycophancy.

There is never a possibility of a good outcome from democracy. Either things get worse, or progress threatens all of the oligarchy to make sure things feel worse so that worst candidate gets elected. Trump falling out of a window, or being put in military jail waiting trials would have been better for progress and dare I say democracy itself. Nationalizing major oil companies with 0 compensation to shareholders would have put oligarchy in check, and eliminate their lobbying power. SCOTUS saying that money is speech means that money is terrorism and traitrous disinformation advancing money's interests.

While non CIA devoted democracies and other nations that have been collectively called authoritarian have done better than US colonies economically over the last 15 years, with leadership from Russia, China, and India, that doesn't mean it is the perfect governance to aspire to.

Liquid democracy is oligarchy proof. Freedom dividends/UBI disempowers the state while achieving high growth in prosperity. Corruption of information/media, and the interests of evil make people who can't understand what is BS, fall for it, and vote for collapse, and accept game being rigged for it.