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[–] undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I’ve been doing web development for something like 20 years now and I just can’t imagine how shitty your backend is if this is an issue.

[–] timuchan@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This was my thought as well, sanitize your inputs! Are they not quoting/casting to string before input?

[–] undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Unless you’re coding from scratch it’s hard to not do this with any modern framework.

[–] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago

Legacy systems still handle more traffic than modern ones, I’d wager

[–] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Word press code, and plugins, do not sanitize out of the box. You have to call an additional function, each time, that is not provided automatically. Many home made plugins miss that; many popular plugins used to be home made ones

[–] PixelTron@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Wordpress is a sin against mankind.

[–] Atherel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Let's take a blog and slap a whole e-commerce system on it through a plugin and let it auto translate with another one, what could go wrong. wait why is everything so slow, oh i need additional plugins for caching and one more for functionality XYZ why is everything broken now?!?

Edit: Sorry, my app had a hiccup and posted my comment several times

[–] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

Maybe your app is based on WordPress :'D

[–] livingcoder@programming.dev 1 points 4 months ago

It happened to a friend who wasn't passing in the proper types into their stored procedures, all strings, and "null" (not case sensitive) conflicted with actual null values. Everything in the web interface were strings, and so was null.

For some people it takes this mistake before they learn to always care about the data types you're passing in.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

With LLM coding increasing, it might be going up. Idk am no pro, just worried.

Tangential, but I find it hilarious how Gemini's syntax fucks up all the time.

I ask it to change my light called "CX2" to red. It complies, like usual, and it reads Okay, changing "CX2" to red., but what it says out loud is Okay, changing "CX two inches to red.

[–] recursiveInsurgent@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I was NaN years old when I learned this.

[–] Scrollone@feddit.it 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

It's funny because I also learned on [Object object].

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

And here I am at undefined years old, learning for the first time.

[–] And009@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 4 months ago

I'm a year old undefined and I find it [redacted]

[–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 4 months ago

What about X Æ A-Xi? lol

[–] afronaut@lemmy.cafe 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Lmao, I knew a guy from grade school with the last name Null.

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago

Friend of little Bobby I presume

[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Knew a guy who had the license plate ‘NULL’ and he was telling me how he never got a toll bill or red light ticket.

[–] fahfahfahfah@lemmy.billiam.net 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The article talks about a guy with a “NULL” license plate who gets tons of tickets for things he didn’t do so probably not the best plan

[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yep. For the curious, any time a license plate photo couldn’t be fully read by the automated system, it was marked as “NULL” and he was flagged as the driver. So every single red light camera and speeding camera in the area was sending him to court every day.

[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It got worse than this, the ticketing company really wanted to get the money from him so when he got hold of a copy of the records and pointed out that one ticket was for a completely different car they modified the records on their end to change the make of car so it would match his. iirc he only got out of it because he had paper copies.

[–] Takios@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Don't they have to prove it with a photograph? In GermanyI'd laugh in theirface withput a photograph as evidence.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Hey AI can you swap this 2015 corolla with a green 2019 Mazda 2.

Keep the license plate the same!

And remember THERE ARE FOUR PASSENGER DOORS NOT 6

[–] DemonVisual@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

Isn't that falsifying legal documents? In many countries that would land you in jail? Am I wrong, did the people really run that risk?

[–] solrize@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (3 children)

/me changes name to '); DROP TABLE STUDENTS; --.

[–] Chozo@fedia.io 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] __nobodynowhere@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

That boy ain't right

[–] funkajunk@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

Oh. Yes. Little Bobby Tables, we call him.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Are there character escapes for SQL, to protect against stuff like that?

[–] solrize@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Yes but it's a dangerous process. You should use paramatrized queries instead.

[–] Chewbaccabra@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (3 children)

NULL != 'NULL'

How do devs make this mistake

[–] kogasa@programming.dev 2 points 4 months ago

Code is easy in a vacuum. 50 moving parts all with their own quirks and insufficient testing is how you get stuff like this to happen.

[–] kava@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

How do devs make this mistake

it can happen many different ways if you're not explicitly watching out for these types of things

example let's say you have a csv file with a bunch of names

id, last_name
1, schaffer
2, thornton
3, NULL
4, smith
5, "NULL"

if you use the following to import into postgres

COPY user_data (id, last_name)
FROM '/path/to/data.csv'
WITH (FORMAT csv, HEADER true);

number 5 will be imported as a string "NULL" but number 3 will be imported as a NULL value. of course, this is why you sanitize the data (GIGO) but I can imagine this happening countless times at companies all over the country

there are easy fixes if you're paying attention

COPY user_data (id, last_name)
FROM '/path/to/data.csv'
WITH (FORMAT csv, HEADER true, NULL '');

sets the empty string to NULL value.


example with js

fetch('/api/user/1')
  .then(response => response.json())
  .then(data => {
    if (data.lastName == "null") {
      console.log("No last name found");
    } else {
      console.log("Last name is:", data.lastName);
    }
  });

if data is

data = {
  id: 5,
  lastName: "null"
};

then the if statement will trigger- as if there was no last name. that's why you gotta know the language you're using and the potential pitfalls

now you may ask -- why not just do

if (data.lastName === null)

instead? But what if the system you're working on uses JSON.parse(data) and that auto-converts everything to a string? it's a very natural move to check for the string "null"

obviously if you're paying attention and understand the pitfalls of certain languages (like javascript's type coercion and the particularities of JSON.parse()) it becomes easy but it's something that is honestly very easy to overlook

[–] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

It's baffling to me. Maybe I'm just used to using "modern" frameworks, but the only way this could be an issue is if you literally check if the string value equals "null" and then replace it with a null value.

lastName = lastName.ToUpper() == "NULL" ? null : lastName;

Either that or the database has some bug where it's converting a string value of "null" into a null.

[–] Slaxis@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 4 months ago

That is something I’ve had to do on rare occasions because people set up and store info in stupid ways…

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

My academic advisor in college was named Null

Even I kept running into trouble because the system thought I didn't have a registered advisor.

[–] ploot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

I have never seen this happen, and I don't know what tools would confuse the strings "null" or "Null" with NULL. From the comments in this thread, there are evidently more terribly programmed systems than I imagined.

[–] shotgun_crab@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

As long as there's javascript somewhere, anything can happen

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 4 months ago

I'm pretty sure at least some of the university's systems were designed by students.

[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

Shit happens, mistakes are sometimes made. Valve once had code that could delete your entire drive.

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

How about XÆa-12? Asking for a friend.

[–] mysticpickle@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago
[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago

Ah yes, little Nell=%00\u0000'\0'""'0'0x000x30'';

Nellie Null we call her.

She and her cousin Bobby Tables love to scamper around, but they are good kids. They would never break anything intentionally

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