So was it just random that their fur is orange and not green? As both would help hunt prey just as well. Or is the advantage of being orange, that it wards away other tigers and predators that might otherwise muscle into its territory and create conflict.
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Itβs also orange because mammals canβt produce green pigments, so orange is the next best thing if your prey is red-green colorblind.
Our primary outer protein is basically keratin, which can be tinted orange(carotene), beige (collagen) or brown/black (melanin).
The green pigment is a byproduct of bilirubin catabolism, which we don't have because we use a different pathway to metabolize and recycle it.
the green pigment? What green pigment?
For reptiles and other stuff, we don't have those.
more accurately, orange pigments are readily available. Nothing fundamentally stops mammals (or anything else) from developing a green. Note for example many animals have green eyes.
From what I understand green eyes are a bit weird as far as coloration goes, as they look green due to the way light is interacting with small amounts of melanin in the iris (the same pigment that makes eyes brown) rather than due to green pigment. Iβm not sure that could be replicated in fur vs in a liquid environment like with the eye.
Birds mimic green colored pigments with iridescence (except turacos, they have green pigments for real) in their feathers, but Iβm not sure thatβs something mammals can do structurally in fur the way birds can in feathers.
Both blue and green eyes in humans and blues and many greens in vertebrates are structural, yeah. Yes the structural coloring could be recreated in fur or skin. (noting that many mammals do structural IR effects in their fur, famously polar bears)
This is probably an example of natural evolution/selection where tigers that had slowly evolved more orange in their fur naturally, were able to feed more. This in turn meant the orange triat in their genes was passed on more frequently and became more dominant in the population.
In a sense it was probably a "random" mutation, but when it became useful and effective it was passed down quicker.
This is how evolution works. People often imagine some sort of logical system to it, but it really is just random mutations all over, with the advantageous ones propagating. There were probably a bunch of tigers with various odd colors or patterns at some point due to random mutations, but those evidently were less useful for hunting and reproducing than how they look now, so they died out in competition with the known variants.
But deer vision is immutable god creation. Checkmate.
Maybe the orange color happened to coincide with the patterns that worked best. Had their prey been able to see the orange tint it would have worked against the tiger, but since they can't it was allowed to flourish with that pattern. If true at all, it's a bit of a dead end since a mutation for the prey to begin seeing orange means tigers have narrowed into that pattern dependent on the color.
Yellows and browns and orange are a lot more related, and whatever color the pre-orange tiger ancestor was, it was almost certainly one of those.
Natural variation in the coat means some of those tigers were more orange than their peers. This trait was selected for.
It feels like we were denied the stunning possibility of green tigers... until you stop and remember the stunning reality of them being bright fucking orange.
Probably both, except within the bounds of easily 'random' bounds. Supposing it were possible for a mammal to be green, it wouldn't matter of green were 'better', unless it happened at the right time. Orange could have won out simply because it was good enough to do one thing (camoflauge for pretty) and didn't have enough downside to message that benefit (high visibility to hunters or less valuable prey). Heck, a gene that turned a lion invisible could have turned up and it wouldn't be guaranteed to carry forward even if it didn't have any downsides if the random recipient also happened to be clumsy or unlucky and died of some random injury or disease.
Evolution doesn't really have any tools that aren't random, at least until intelligence came around to provide other 'non natural' paths, though of course those are just as natural as the others, just that we think we're special and above nature.
Recall that evolution isn't intelligent. Random mutations do random shit until one is accidentally successful. Random orange that appears green falls right into that scheme π
Are there any green animals that aren't reptiles, birds or insects? That might be a clue.
Could probably come up with a few fishes, but no mammals come to mind
Sloths can be green if I recall correctly, they have a special clear type of hair that can grow moss or algea on, or in it or something
They can appear green because of the plant growth, but donβt produce the green color themselves.
Thanks, eyes!
The green image of the tiger is terrifying. You wouldn't see it until it's eyes or teeth were baring down on you in a lush green forest. Thankfully humans weren't it's main prey and therefore it likely evolved to appear orange instead...
Umm, I've met tigers.
You need to explain to them that we're not prey, but they haven't figured it out yet.
I think the key word is "main".
fish are friends not food.
I'm colorblind and the images are nearly identical. Good thing I'm not in tiger habitats very often.
Same. Didn't even realise they were different images until after I read the text.
Is that why cats can be so ginger and still good hunters? My orange stands out so much in the garden, but maybe to dichromatic mice he's super stealthy?
this sounds dumb. if that was the reason then why arent they just green so that theyre camoflaged to EVERY animal and not just those with bad eyes
Evolution is throwing things against the wall and seeing what sticks (by sticking I mean reproducing bc you have better traits). If every single one of their prey and predators have this color blindness then orange and green would have the same effectiveness and whichever trait comes out first. If a prey/predator evolved to have better color vision then it would quickly become a disadvantage and after millions of years it's possible they evolve to have green fur.
There could be other benefits like being easier to attract mates.
Also some animals can see infrared, so even if their fur was perfect for the environment they could still have issues being spotted, in which case the color doesn't matter as much and the colors for mating becomes more important.
Iβve also heard green coloring is hard to achieve for mammals, but iirc the source was some tumblr post so take that with a grain of salt.
I realized I couldn't think of a single green mammal so I DDG'd it and it's true. In a nutshell, the pigments that give mammals their colors are limited to warm colors (so no blue or green) and you could also fake a green color by reflecting mostly just green light off you (it's how birds do it) but it seems to be something only feathers and scales are good at, not fur.
Related to this - all fabrics used by the military need to be both Berry-amendment compliant, and NIR compliant. What that means is that, first, they need to be made in the USA (because you don't want to outsource military equipment if you end up going to war with the country that makes shit for you), and second, it needs to not show up like a sore thumb under infrared light, A lot of fabrics and dyes will show up as hot spots under IR, which means that they show up great with night vision. NIR-compliant fabrics will still appear camouflaged under IR.
That's why those nylon-cotton blend Crytek combat pants are something like $450, when the Chinese knock-offs made in poly-cotton are about $70.
As a biologist, I'm always so happy with how versed your average Lemming is on evolution versus the bad place.
A) Evolution is not directed. If a pre-tiger happens to be a more advantageous colour, it will have more offspring. There is no goal.
B) An orange tiger has the same camouflage from its prey's point of view as a green one, which is the thing that really matters. There is only one species a tiger is afraid of, and it's humans. I would wager that the orange also happens to act as a signal colour, both to other tigers and other predators (such as humans). Less run-ins and less territorial dispute sound pretty good.
Mammals don't come in green. We have 2 colours available to us, in different amounts: eumelanin, which is dark brown to black, and pheomelanin, which is yellow/red. We can mix those up in any way, or none (for white), but it'll never be green.
Now, many other animals don't have green either, peacock feathers for example, have brown pigment, but they have a structure that makes it look green and blue from wave interference.
Unfortunately, you can't really do that with fur, since you need to look at fur from all directions, not just the front.
So, mammals don't get green fur.
Damn.
TIL
Thank you, evolution, for allowing me to see orange so I can get an head start and outrun a mother fucking tiger!
outrun a mother fucking tiger
You only need to outrun your travelbuddy.
This is also why hunting vests are bright orange. Easy for humans to spot, and deer get confused by there being a fucking tiger loose in New England.
I always wondered about that, thanks.
Tigers are generally crepuscular which means theyβre most active around dawn or dusk, when the sun is very low in the sky. Their orange fur does not stand out so well when everything looks orange under the golden light of dawn.
Oooh I just thought nature was fucking stupid