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Several service members told advocacy groups they felt like pawns in a political game and assignment was unnecessary

California national guards troops and marines deployed to Los Angeles to help restore order after days of protest against the Trump administration have told friends and family members they are deeply unhappy about the assignment and worry their only meaningful role will be as pawns in a political battle they do not want to join.

Three different advocacy organisations representing military families said they had heard from dozens of affected service members who expressed discomfort about being drawn into a domestic policing operation outside their normal field of operations. The groups said they have heard no countervailing opinions.

“The sentiment across the board right now is that deploying military force against our own communities isn’t the kind of national security we signed up for,” said Sarah Streyder of the Secure Families Initiative, which represents the interests of military spouses, children and veterans.

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[–] teft@lemmy.world 50 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Or you can stay in the service and be a sabot in the wheels. Being a shitty soldier will do more to hurt the fascist service than leaving it. Trust me, i was a shitty soldier.

[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Also being a mole and letting resistance groups know what’s going on

[–] teft@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Well that would be treason which i’m not advocating for.

Just being slow and fat fingering things are not traitorous things.

Treason is punishable by the death penalty so keep that in mind. Especially with who is in charge currently.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (3 children)

You seem to be confused. Obeying the fascist illegal orders is the treasonous act.

[–] teft@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

I’m not confused. A soldier has to walk a fine line on what they can legally do. I won’t advocate for soldiers to do illegal things. I will advocate for soldiers to disobey illegal orders and to be a shitbag for any work details they think are undemocratic. Until we’re in a full blown civil war it’s better to lie low than get kicked out of the service from spying.

[–] andrewta@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

If you ignore how laws are written and how the world works then yeah you’d be correct.

In the real world teft is correct

Disobeying unconstitutional orders is not treason, it's patriotism.

Also being a mole and letting resistance groups know what’s going on

But that is the literal definition of treason.

[–] StonerCowboy@lemm.ee 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Uhhh obeying the orders of a fascist traitor is treason.....so no them rising up and fighting against such shit orders is not treason but their oath to the constitution and its people.

[–] teft@lemmy.world -2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They haven’t been given illegal orders yet. And i’ve already said that they should disobey illegal orders. All soldiers are given classes on lawful orders and which orders should and shouldn’t be obeyed. If they “rise up” as you say they will just be courtmartialed and discharged at best or executed at worst.

This is the real world not some fantasy that some of you seem to be living in. I was a soldier and i was deployed to a war i didn’t agree with. I understand what these soldiers are feeling.

[–] StonerCowboy@lemm.ee 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I was in the military myself 2009-2013

This is an illegal order you fucking piece of shit traitor. We swear an oath to the constitution.

TRUMP is a seditionous traitor so anything he says or does is an illegal order. The military should have had the balls to nut up and say no and arrest his ass as he is a domestic terrorist.

But go on keep defending the Marines on AMERICAN soil.

You are a traitor and when war breaks out I hope you meet your maker.

[–] teft@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Being ordered to an area isn’t illegal. Being ordered to shoot civilians is. Learn the distinction, clown. I’m not a traitor nor do i support the orange idiot.

[–] StonerCowboy@lemm.ee 0 points 5 hours ago

I get it but if things start going down the Civil War route than anything is fair game.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 points 2 days ago

It’s only treason if you get caught.

[–] Kalothar@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Also there is no leaving the military, it is illegal by the very definition and you will go to military prison

[–] nickhammes@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Not in the US, we don't have compulsory service, and people leave legally all the time. Letting their enlistment expire is a way to leave, they could also get discharged for medical reasons, though maybe that's not something to plan on. There are others, but I'm not sure how advisable any of them are.