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Remember- it was not long ago that the government literally firebombed an entire city block in Philly because they wanted a “criminal” inside a house. They just said fuck it and took out a block of houses. Because they “can.”
Yep, and it wasn't even the military, it was just a local police force. I believe they killed 11 people and around 5 children. The 40th anniversary just passed.
If a single police force using weapons from 40 years ago could do something like that without a second thought, I hope people consider what the outcome would realistically be today, when encouraging people in California to strap themselves and head into a suicide mission against police, federal agencies, national guard, military, Palantir, and private military companies like Blackwater under a president who has already told them "he who serves his country, commits no crime."
The problem is, unless things change drastically, that is the trajectory the US is on.
Again where is the actual show of support from the rest of America? This should not be California's fight, it should be all of us fighting as America against authoritarianism.
Where are the people telling their local government they need to following the example Glendale just set for the rest of us.
There have been solidarity protests in several other states.
As a Californian, while I'm sure we have the thoughts and prayers support from others across the country and world, I suspect we're pretty much on our own. It won't be long before other blue states are fighting their own similar fights against hostile takeover, and red states are cheering this shit on because "Commiefornia." And honestly, people are, but city councils are also doing their own balancing acts, if they aren't already MAGA infested. There isn't really a unified response as of yet, but I suspect that'll change as more of CA becomes threatened.
We all have different battles. Ours are currently focussed on our colleges and universities, research and innovation. We recently won one where the court decided that mango Mussolini can’t prevent specific colleges from admitting foreign students out of spite. Of course there’s a major chilling effect but it’s a win.
Also, one of our senators has been extremely vocal and active. Not much Dems can do in Congress but speaking up is a start
And yes, we have many “No Kings”protests lined up that will get huge turnout for our population. Thoughts and prayers are on the way, but also gives encouragement for our representatives, our state, our law enforcement to do what they can.
Right on, keep fighting the good fight.
All over. Peaceful. Won't see them on the news, trump can't point at a guy playing guitar and call him dangerous.
This was the question in front of everybody eight months ago. The majority decided to stay home.
even better, a local police force is, still, inherently “military” in that they are a weaponized arm of a state licensed to kill.
we’re just marketed to think differently.
(i am adding not disagreeing with you!)
I thought he was describing Waco TX ... until I saw Philly. Close enough for another example.
You mean that child molester’s compound?
Did he deserve due process or not? What about the others?
Your existence is to disagree with people, MLaeve, I’m too tired to reeeengage with you today.
even if true, should due process include firebombing and killing innocent people, or should it include “get good” and maybe not firebombing?
I think time has distorted a lot of what went on in Waco. I’m not trying to agree on police violence, just so we are clear, but using Waco to prove a point isn’t going to be that effective since they were shooting back and fucking kids and killing themselves.
Tulsa Oklahoma is a good example of police force that has no justification.
I am not 100% on Waco. The ATF knows they went crazy there. I do know there were exaggerations in regards to the children as several have admitted in interviews that they were coaxed into making some statements. Im not saying all of it was made up, but I know some of it was.
Remember that Waco happened over a firearm inspection that was done by the ATF. They saw auto conversion kits on rifles that they reported as illegal ... and it turns out they were NOT illegal and the ATF knew it, but raided anyway.
Things did get crazy from there. You dont declare "total war" on an fucking end of the world cult that dreams about going out in a blaze of bullets ...because they are going to go out in a blaze of bullets. The ATF knew THAT as well.
it’s just an example of state overreach in a violent manner. one of many. none are appropriate when one truly considers things like “rights” etc.
the civil war was probably the last time the state was able to “legit” use violence because it was to quell an actual secession by a formal militia of more than a million traitors and terrorists.
Asserting that the state has no legitimate interest in using limited violence (i.e. tear gas) to execute lawful search and arrest warrants against heavily-armed, recalcitrant pedophiles is truly one of the takes of all time.
The Bundy standoff, the SLA, and the Waco Siege are categorically different from the firebombing of Philly or the Tulsa Massacre to anyone with a brain.
i never said they have no interest. i said they are cheating due process when they use these tactics and basically “noob tubing” which kills innocent people at the same time.
you are ok with innocent people and children being murdered by the state because they were too scared to do it the right way? what a take. how’s that boot taste?
remember- waco is an example in a list of many. you just post-facto know there is a monster in there and think it was ok for Reno to act like she did? What about the philly move bombing? my initial example. or the Kent State murders? Or shit … the school shooting in TX where officer INACTION resulted in more death because they were fucking pussies.
stop. being. ok. with. state. sanctioned. murder. the examples are not different exept in the type of criminal they were going after. the same formula, state, and actions were taken which results in innocent and unnecessary death.
catch criminals and chomos the old fashioned way and put them and only them up against the wall.
also not for nothing but “limited violence” should never involve firebombing or tear gas damaging innocent people or even starting fires or escalation.
stop pretending the state knows what it is doing.
stop thinking being critical OF the state means I support the “other side” - grow up and start to think bigger.
Maybe they should have let them keep the south. Perhaps we can just give it back to them and all the nutters will move there.
I mean, it's fight and risk dying or stand aside while family, friends, neighbors, and children are dissappeared. I know what I would prefer in that imaginary scenario and am definitely not advocating for people to be violent against the national guard, ICE, or other federal organizations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing
Yep, they only serve capitalism and its masters so we’re just bags of meat to them that they can inflict pain on
That wasn't the only time fascist feds bombed a US neighborhood, either
true!! waco aside, can you send me links to others? i have a list I want to keep.
There is also a list on wikipedia
thanks!
I tried to do a search for you but ~~dog~~ ddg and google won't list them. Perhaps someone with kagi or some other alternative search engine will be willing to provide results.
thanks for looking! add also, Kent State!
Well, I searched specifically bombing, but make no mistakes, any police are not on the side of the average individual. For example, in my cluster of small communities, police don't even try to solve property crimes under roughly 100k. But steal a backhoe, and you may have issues.
I mean, it was 40 years ago.
I would more point to the police violence during BLM protests and the terror tactics employed by ICE against Columbia student protesters just in the last six months.