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I thought he was describing Waco TX ... until I saw Philly. Close enough for another example.
You mean that child molester’s compound?
Did he deserve due process or not? What about the others?
Your existence is to disagree with people, MLaeve, I’m too tired to reeeengage with you today.
even if true, should due process include firebombing and killing innocent people, or should it include “get good” and maybe not firebombing?
I think time has distorted a lot of what went on in Waco. I’m not trying to agree on police violence, just so we are clear, but using Waco to prove a point isn’t going to be that effective since they were shooting back and fucking kids and killing themselves.
Tulsa Oklahoma is a good example of police force that has no justification.
I am not 100% on Waco. The ATF knows they went crazy there. I do know there were exaggerations in regards to the children as several have admitted in interviews that they were coaxed into making some statements. Im not saying all of it was made up, but I know some of it was.
Remember that Waco happened over a firearm inspection that was done by the ATF. They saw auto conversion kits on rifles that they reported as illegal ... and it turns out they were NOT illegal and the ATF knew it, but raided anyway.
Things did get crazy from there. You dont declare "total war" on an fucking end of the world cult that dreams about going out in a blaze of bullets ...because they are going to go out in a blaze of bullets. The ATF knew THAT as well.
it’s just an example of state overreach in a violent manner. one of many. none are appropriate when one truly considers things like “rights” etc.
the civil war was probably the last time the state was able to “legit” use violence because it was to quell an actual secession by a formal militia of more than a million traitors and terrorists.
Asserting that the state has no legitimate interest in using limited violence (i.e. tear gas) to execute lawful search and arrest warrants against heavily-armed, recalcitrant pedophiles is truly one of the takes of all time.
The Bundy standoff, the SLA, and the Waco Siege are categorically different from the firebombing of Philly or the Tulsa Massacre to anyone with a brain.
i never said they have no interest. i said they are cheating due process when they use these tactics and basically “noob tubing” which kills innocent people at the same time.
you are ok with innocent people and children being murdered by the state because they were too scared to do it the right way? what a take. how’s that boot taste?
remember- waco is an example in a list of many. you just post-facto know there is a monster in there and think it was ok for Reno to act like she did? What about the philly move bombing? my initial example. or the Kent State murders? Or shit … the school shooting in TX where officer INACTION resulted in more death because they were fucking pussies.
stop. being. ok. with. state. sanctioned. murder. the examples are not different exept in the type of criminal they were going after. the same formula, state, and actions were taken which results in innocent and unnecessary death.
catch criminals and chomos the old fashioned way and put them and only them up against the wall.
also not for nothing but “limited violence” should never involve firebombing or tear gas damaging innocent people or even starting fires or escalation.
stop pretending the state knows what it is doing.
stop thinking being critical OF the state means I support the “other side” - grow up and start to think bigger.
Maybe they should have let them keep the south. Perhaps we can just give it back to them and all the nutters will move there.