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yes. i mean ALL shareholders. all it’ll take is once and the whole system will change when grandma goes to jail because her 401k has stock in this criminal entity.
Don't get me wrong - this is absolute bullshit, but no, that's a bad take.
The people that regulate this don't give a shit if the average person is prosecuted because it doesn't affect them. The only actual way the system gets changed is if the obscenely wealthy/regulators/lawmakers who profit over this go to jail. Not some schmuck with a 401(k).
You penalize folks that happen to have a single share of this in their retirement portfolio, all you're doing is screwing over the chunk of the populace that is already overworked and just trying to survive by shoving what they can into recommended retirement funds.
Not to mention that most people have no idea what's in their 401k. They just stick it into a mutual fund or agree to the company advisor or something and let it go.
If you really want to do something that will encourage change, stop thinking about jailing the worker with the 401k and start thinking about jailing the board and the C-suite.
Absolutely agree.
jail them according to proportions owned. this will get the C suite life and grandma a fine and will get the ones who see this happen actually making change, in the manners necessary.
No, I see value in Grand doing 24 hours of community service in some sort of mental/physical health settings for poor people. That way she sees what she and her friends and family are facing, one major medical event away. Let her tell everyone about those turned away.
ok. works for me. i just think that if soup-to-nuts people “felt” the choices the corporations made in ways they actually felt - wallet or free time - things will change. corps will be dissolved. c suites jailed. yadda yadda.
“what are you in for?”
“i was majority shareholder in a corp that chose profit over people.”
You're actively advocating for citizens to be punished for decisions made by people in the ruling/investment class, while also advocating they commit violence that they will be jailed for. That's honestly kind of impressive.
Maybe try fining the people that pick the investments instead?
fining? fining does not work on the owning classes. that’s “just business.”
they. need. prison.
You 100% ignored my response.
I said initially said to jail the fucks fueling this. You then said we should penalize the people with 401(k)s. I tried to shift the blame back to the people actually picking the damn stocks.
i’m saying proportional response is the key - the ppl picking the stocks and the people owning them. i 100% included your cohort in my response. they ALL need to be given credit for these corporate crimes.
No. No you didn't. NO ONE picks the damn stocks in their retirement account - not 100%.
You either don't understand how retirement accounts work in the US or you don't care.
right. no one picks but they FUND. so when they are punished for funding - the SYSTEM will change. stop being thick.
Take your own advice. Most people do not look at the fucking stocks in their retirement portfolio.
Also, "stop being thick" - you're not from the US, are you? Literally no one here uses that phrase. Maybe stop advocating violence like you did a few comments ago?
where did I advocate violence? the violence here is the corporations. also, I am US .. maybe a diff generation? I’m over 40. /shrug.
Literally the comment that was removed. Weird how the modlog has your edited comment as your comment instead of your original one.
100% same. Over 40. US based. No one says "thick" here.
ok so - yeah I tried to edit the comment thinking the “edit” would show me the og comment - I wanted to know what was “too far” for this thread. sigh. i was probably indeed too hyperbolic. though I know I didn’t mention “the wall” lol.
still getting used to how comments and edits work on lemmy. so you can’t see the original one either? thanks for looking though.
anyway back-forth aside thanks for the replies and also fuck the criminal corporations. 💚
Agreed.
I'd be fine with the compromise that your sentence should be proportional to your level of stake in the company. So, grandma's .00001 shares would get her community service, while the 51% holder gets life.
Yep, grandma, who had maybe a base level of knowledge of where her retirement was invested, should serve time for the fact that the funds her advisor picked happened to contain a share of this company.
Not, you know, the fund advisor that actually understands what she's investing in.
Who said serve time? I'd say five minutes of community service or a ten cent fine would be enough. Plus it could serve as incentive to take control of their own money and be sure it's not invested in criminal enterprises.
No. You want to punish someone? Punish the people choosing the investments.
You can punish them too, but if you absolve anyone behind a third party, all the billionaires in control would only own stocks through "blind" trusts and defeat the purpose of punishing the owners of criminal corporations.
completely agree.
Look, either Grandma is contributing waaaaayyyyyyy too much to her 401k, or Grandma's portfolio is tied up in a bunch of small shitty companies or it's all in one slightly less small shitty company. Whatever it is, if Grandma's monthly contributions are enough to have a controlling vote in a company, she needs a new financial advisor.
haha true. but when I send money to hamas, I’m “supporting terrorists.”
but grandma allows her money to be sent to a corp that chooses to kill people and … she’s just little ole grandma?
pfft. :p
Why are you sending your money to Hamas? That's a bad retirement plan, too. You're supposed to stuff all your money into your mattress.
That's why you spend the first 20 years of your career buying various mattresses, so that you'll have enough storage for when you retire as a billionaire. And when the government wants you to pay for taxes, you just send them a mattress.
haha i am of course not sending money to hamas lol. it’s just to prove a point in the thread.
At this point, I'm being redundant, but:
To "send money to hamas" you need to actively do so. To "alllow her money to be sent to a corp that chooses to kill people" - that's literally retirement in the US?
I'm literally not saying it's a good thing but - not understanding the difference between these two is an impressive level of cognitive dissonance.
of course I understand the difference - you don’t seem to understand how proportional response would work when grandma is told her 401k is fined because she funded a murderous corporation. her fund manager gets a few days time. the corporation c suite gets months and the board gets decades.