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News article shows poor treatment of animals because people want to eat them, or the eggs they lay. Commenter says "gee, if we didnt ask for those things this wouldn't happen". Enlightened lemmy users downvote. Cool.
I mean yeah, they wouldn't have existed in the first place.
Probably still preferable to a short life of torture before being murdered.
Yep. Thanks for agreeing.
Yeah it's the PETA approach of "let's protect these animals by euthanizing them so they can't later be harmed."
Factory farming for the vast majority of chickens, is life-long enslavement in torturous conditions.
Hundreds of billions of non-aquatic animals are enslaved by factory farmers every year.
Trillions of fish are enslaved in factory farms every single year.
What about all the hundreds of billions of plant-based lifeforms enslaved on factory farms every year before being culled? Why aren't you concerned about them too?
If you are genuinely interested in the vegan position, I'd happily answer (or you could have used a search engine and gotten millions of answers). Something tells me you're not being genuine in your motivation.
In short: there is no sentience and thus, no capacity for suffering inside plants as far as we know based on scientific consensus. Animals do have this. Hence why I care about taking a knife to an animals throat and slicing it, and not about chopping a carrot.
Even if you believe for whatever bum fuck spiritualist reason that plants can suffer, you can minimize plant usage by going vegan. Keeping all those farm animals alive requires (plantbased) feed, so cutting out the middle man reduces the number of plants wasted.
this can't be proven
Should we, according to you, grant the same amount of ethical consideration to a tomato as to a cat/pig/bird/etc? Do you actually believe there is a sentient being in a plant, or a rock for that matter?
Our best scientific understanding is that a CNS is essential for sentience, and there is no serious evidence support plant sentience. You can play the philospher and argue this, but then technically you can't prove human sentience outside your own (if that). Should we go kill humans?
Anyway. I see you're not serious in this conversation and are just trolling. Have a good one.
i think what you mean is that sentience has only been substantiated in organisms with a cns.
i never said that. what i said is that you can't prove there isn't.
this is an ad hominem and a thought terminating cliche. what i'm saying is true. your fallacious rhetoric doesn't change that.
i don't know what you mean by ethical consideration.
no, you can't. the industry doesn't change it's growth due to vegans.
What do you mean? You think there is no supply demand at play in food production?
vegans have been around since the 1940s, and my guess is there are more now than ever, but the meat industry grows year-over-year every year. being vegan doesn't decrease the amount of meat dairy or eggs produced. it certainly doesn't reduce the amount of vegetables grown.
There's a substantial number of Lemmy users who reflexively downvote anything that even mentions the word "vegan," regardless of the context, tone, or point of a comment. You got downvoted, I'm gonna get downvoted, and it just goes to show that even in such a seemingly leftist space, the spirit of "reflexively dismiss anything I disagree with" is alive and well.
It's been getting worse since more reddit users have been coming over.
I've noticed that too. For a while, Lemmy users denounced bringing old Reddit baggage to this site. There was a sense of "we are not Reddit, we can form our own culture, without the old toxicity of Reddit." I think a lot of us still believe that, but the recent months have brought waves of Redd-fugees that don't know and haven't adapted to that difference yet.