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[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 78 points 3 days ago (6 children)

The impression I had of the US election based on it was completely out of line with reality

I've largely switched to Lemmy for the past two years, but this was really the last nail in the coffin for reddit for me too. It's an enforced echo-chamber and no longer a reliable source of information. It's hard to notice how bad things are when the politics are leaning in your direction, but once you see it, you can't unsee it, and it feels gross.

Lemmy is obviously pretty politically homogeneous too, but the difference is that I don't feel like someone is trying to trick me. Topics and and sources are clearly influenced by the individual posters' opinions, but it doesn't feel like there's a coordinated behind-the-scenes effort to push an agenda, which makes for a better vibe.

[–] gimmelemmy@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago

For me, it was the massive uptick in bans that proved the manipulation was real

[–] GratuitousStealth@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I was a "Reddit is Fun" user for at least a decade

[–] nicky7@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 days ago

I literally just uninstalled both rif and rif premium 1 minute ago. Their last update was June 2023. I can't believe it's been that long.

[–] Vreyan31@reddthat.com 5 points 2 days ago (3 children)

So this place isn't overrun by bots. Awesome. As someone new here, are there fewer bots bc it's a smaller audience, or are there actually protections against bots?

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Welcome welcome! The few bots that try to spam have been found out and disconnected relatively quickly (there have been a number of Fediverse-wide intentional efforts to spam that were dealt with).

The comment quality tends to be higher on average and braindead meme chains that bots can copy for karma farming are far less common.

That said, the Lemmy experience is yours to craft. Subscribe and block as needed, don't feed the trolls, don't sweat getting a few downvoted comments here and there, report bad behaviour and have fun.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So, it's all down to federation, essentially. If an instance allows its users to act in bad faith (lemmygrad, exploding heads, etc), then typically people will ask their instance admin to defederate from them or else move to a server that will. And if you can't find a server you like? Great news! Just pull down the source code and start your own!

[–] sovereign@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Worth noting that lemm.ee pretty much does not defederate with anyone so is great if you are going to be moderating any communities because you can actually see nearly everyone that is posting.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, I also have a strong [left] libertarian bent, and I appreciate that .ee admins trust me to block servers I don't want to see for myself. I think the only two that .ee has defederated from are lemmygrad and exploding heads (Nazis).

[–] sovereign@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

https://lemm.ee/instances

Unless I am wrong I don't even think that those ones are blocked.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago

Oh shit, maybe I'm just banned lmao

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago

lesser bots, i think because reddit bots are mostly political propaganda ones from RU and US.

[–] CheeseToastie@lazysoci.al 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yep, its got pretty extreme. So many comments seem to be bots, and it really feels like you're being pushed in a certain direction. I can't fathom how it got so bad

[–] Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

There are bots on here too. I've noticed a lot of handled accounts that will reply consistently with pro Russian propaganda. Some may be bots, but others are handled. Either way, the goals are the same.

You sadly can't escape it these days.

No matter where you go, it's best to be aware and double check sources.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I’ve noticed a lot of handled accounts that will reply consistently with pro Russian propaganda.

without evidence, you are just spreading fud

[–] Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I said "I've noticed" which is anecdotal, but others have shared similar experiences with me. That along with the well documented interference campaigns, it's not a stretch to draw the same conclusion here on Lemmy.

Did you read the article I shared by chance?

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I wish I didn't have to be skeptical, but sadly I do. If you read the article I shared, it outlined how insidious foreign influence campaigns can be.

For example, in 2019, 19 of Facebook’s top 20 pages for American Christians were run by Eastern European troll farms.

That's just one example of many. We all need to be hyper vigilant.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

instead of seeing a spook behind every post, just engage (or don't) with the comment on its merits. to do otherwise is a form of ad hominem, wher you are attacking teh speaker instead of the content of their speech.

[–] Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I'm advocating for awareness and critical thinking, not paranoia. The New York Times article I shared outlines how influence operations have grown more sophisticated, with bots and handled accounts leveraging LLMs to mimic real engagement while derailing or inflaming discussions. Recognizing these tactics isn’t about dismissing individuals—it’s about understanding patterns of manipulation that have been well-documented. Identifying bad-faith engagement isn’t an ad hominem attack; it’s a necessary part of critical discourse. If you disagree, that’s fine, but ignoring the issue doesn’t make it disappear.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

an accusation of bad faith is almost always itself bad faith. you can explain the problems with someone's claims or reasoning without accusing them of intentionally being dishonest.

[–] Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Pointing out patterns of manipulation isn’t the same as accusing individuals of bad faith. Influence operations are well-documented, and recognizing when engagement follows known tactics is about awareness, not personal attacks. If someone is engaging in good faith, discussing these concerns shouldn’t be an issue. Still, I believe it’s more prudent to acknowledge and warn others about the presence of bad actors on the platform than to ignore the reality that they exist.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Still, I believe it’s more prudent to acknowledge and warn others about the presence of bad actors on the platform than to ignore the reality that they exist.

you don't actually know what the reality is. you are choosing to spread fud.

[–] Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Skepticism and awareness don’t require absolute certainty—they require recognizing patterns, weighing evidence, and applying critical thinking. Intelligence agencies, cybersecurity experts, and investigative journalists don’t operate with perfect knowledge of every individual actor; they analyze behaviors, tactics, and known strategies to assess likely influence operations. That’s exactly what I’m doing here.

What’s not up for debate is whether bad actors are present in online spaces. There is overwhelming, verifiable evidence that state-backed influence campaigns, misinformation networks, and coordinated propaganda efforts exist and are active on most notable social platforms. This isn’t speculation; it’s been extensively documented by cybersecurity researchers, investigative journalists, and intelligence agencies across multiple countries. The only real question is to what extent they are influencing a given conversation on Lemmy in particular, not whether they are here at all.

Dismissing these concerns simply because I can’t produce a list of every bot and handled account is shortsighted. That’s like saying misinformation campaigns don’t exist unless you can personally name every individual behind them. The research I shared—along with extensive documentation from reputable sources—makes it clear that these operations exist. Ignoring that reality doesn’t make it go away.

You keep labeling this discussion as "spreading FUD" without engaging with the substance of the argument. But dismissing any discussion of manipulation tactics as paranoia actually discourages people from critically assessing how online spaces are influenced. If you disagree with my conclusions, that’s fine. But refusing to acknowledge the undeniable presence of organized misinformation efforts while insisting that discussing them is somehow harmful only serves to shut down necessary discourse.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 17 hours ago

I'm trying to discourage you from making baseless accusations against other users. those accusations can be phrased "this is what propagandists do" or similar. that's a total cop out.

if someone is spreading misinformation, most communities and instances have a rule against that; report it. if someone is saying something that is true and happens to align with known propaganda, the situation gets very sticky. if you feel you must refute something unsaid, I strongly recommend that you clarify, before and afte, that you are not making some accusation against the particular user.

personally, I would simply nuance their oblique fact to try to reframe it in a way that doesn't benefit the (suspected) propaganda message, or leave it alone.

accusations of shilling are fucking toxic to the community. it requires a high level of proof.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 17 hours ago

Dismissing these concerns simply because I can’t produce a list of every bot and handled account is shortsighted.

you can't produce one.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 22 hours ago

If someone is engaging in good faith, discussing these concerns shouldn’t be an issue.

no, it's a red herring. either what they are saying is true and reasonable or it is not. poisoning the well with implications of bad faith is, itself, bad faith.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago

your comments also wont get astroturfed by russian bots most of the time, or angry conservative doesnt know how to discern the meaning of your comments.