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If Jesus is God and God told Abraham then i guess it's technically the right dude.
only jesus said there is a new covenant with him, which nearly all denominations interpret to mean the rite of circumcision is a thing of the past
... Unless you're in Protestant dominated USAmerica, where male genital mutilation remains a widespread, common practice.
Roughly 80% of American boys/men are circumcized, almost all at birth.
I can provide either statistics or pics as proof, your choice.
EDIT: There's also a whole history of basically junk/fraudulent science in the US being used as a validation of this practice, much of which basically claims that having your whole hood intact makes you more vulnerable to skin infections and STDs.
This is false, but Americans are quite good at doing motivated reasoning and convincing themselves it is objective critical analysis.
no i know. i'm part of that statistic. my parents weren't consulted ahead of time. it was simply done "for health reasons"
... are you saying you don't want pics... =[
/s /s /s lol
I edited in a bit more info... yet another wonderful amazing lie I had to figure out entirely on my own that my fundie parents told me with utter confidence.
i saw the edit
None of that is for (directly) religious reasons though; Americans circumcise their sons because a cereal company founder thought it would prevent masturbation, and Americans are removed apparently
... It is an unchallenged remnant of many things, a large chunk of those things having puritanical religious origins.
And almost all those religions happen to be Jesus-centric.
Kellogg was just a more recent large scale eh... reinforcment of the norm. He was inspired by his particular Christian views... 7th Day Adventist.
Like, yes, its not as direct as many modern preachers constantly doing sermons about the virtuosity of circumcision... but even still, I can easily say that the reason the practice is unchallenged is that American Protestant Christians of many, many different Denominations... well they strongly promote traditionalism for the sake of tradition, not questioning authority figures, actively rejecting modern science and medicine.
Like uh... Max Weber's christian protestant work ethic explanation of the peculiarities of American culture in regards to attitudes toward work and politics and many other cultural features... isn't 100% perfect... but it is a very good starting point to understand why American Protestantism is sociologically distinct to other societies.
Lol I guess one of the involved instances censors that word.
But that's not religious. It's an american thing.
It is an American thing that arose from, and persists because of how Americans 'do' Christianity.
As I said in another post, start with Max Weber, and then explore more of the history of how Christianity and Christian Denominations, cults, sects, revival movements, etc, have shaped the country as a whole, in ways that are distinct from how other kinds of Christianity have shaped other countries in the last 300 or so years.
Like... the whole reason we have the First Amendment, the freedom of religion part... was mainly to make it so that none of the varying Christian Denominations would be able to use the government to censor or outright oppress or murder each other.
Read the journals of the founding fathers, federalist papers, etc, if you doubt that. See how most of them were Deists, who... just believed in a big creator God, but basically no theology of any particular Christian branch... the neutral middle ground.
America was largely initially founded by populations of varying kinds of extreme Christian Sects fleeing persecution in Europe... and a lot of our early history is... those sects persecuting and mistreating, or at best, barely tolerating and competetively trying to proselytize, other sects that just over here now, on a different continent... as well as all the indigenous populations... and the imported slaves.
It's motivated by Christian sexual abuse
Which has fuck-all to do with Jesus, the meme is still incorrect
Pentecostal holiness denominations are both small and overrepresented in policy making
edit: oh yeah and they teach the opposite of what jesus did
? I agree with you. Has nothing to do with Jesus, the meme is wrong
no yeah for sure. i'm just saying that the subset of people who are gungho about the importance of circumcision because of their love for jesus are people you're unlikely to ever encounter, but do have every conservative politician's ear
Tell that to the doctors recommending it then, not to us. As far as I’m concerned this obsession over it is a mental disease and not one I’m pleased to see making the jump from Reddit.
I’m circumcised, and I don’t give a shit, and I never will, and it’s not the same thing as FGM at all.
Discussing it isn't an obsession, an obsession would be making your whole personality about it, or basically having that be a primary hobby or something.
You are doing a less extreme version of the thing that politcal news pundits do against protests:
Protesting as a concept is fine, but it turns out any protest with views I disagree with? Well they're protesting wrong.
If you are reading this as an obsession, I dunno what to tell you, check my comment history and you'll see this is the first thread I've ever mentioned it in, and my older, nearly year old account? Don't think I ever mentioned it.
Finally: Yes, female genital mutilation is very often much, much worse, in that it usually entails total removal of the clitoris, which is... basically fundamental to the ability of a woman to experience pleasure and orgasm.
But that doesn't mean male genital mutilation is not also bad. The male hood also generally has a much higher concentration of nerve endings than... basically everywhere other than the head.
And both of these practices fundamentally remove bodily autonomy from a baby/child, and are culturally/religiously done for reasons that ultimately or directly arise from a very paternalistic and authoritarian approach to children as property of parents, and intending to diminish and control their sexual characteristics without consent.
... But if you don't wanna have this discussion, feel free to block me, or just... not discuss... this...?
I will block you because this is tedious, but know that I will always discuss this and never let it go uncommented on because it’s unhinged. While you supposedly don’t make this your entire personality there were those on Reddit who definitely did, and you smell just like them. I will never stop speaking out that this whole thing is a bullshit non issue.
I dunno, sounds like the one who's made it their whole personality might not be spectral here.
Glad you left your reddit trauma at the door to lemmy and certainly aren't making any personal judgements based entirely on vibes rofl.
Not obsessive in any way at all, nope, that's me apparently.
Hahahahaha
Why would you come to a thread about circumcision, read the comments about circumcision, and leave a comment about being fed up of circumcision discussions if you were tired of talking about circumcision? And then block a guy who replies to your comment in a reasonable and ration manner because he reminds you of someone on a different website.
If anyone's "unhinged" here it's the guy who doesn't just move on to the next thread.
I never said I was tired of the conversation. I’m tired of people like the ones I left on Reddit who always bring up circumcision and want to act like they’ve been horribly victimized because their parents followed a medical doctor’s advice.
It’s pathetic. Some of them even mention suing their parents. This seems like a mental disorder. I don’t like it and if I see it, I will say something about it. If you don’t like that, perhaps you should block me instead of writing a reply I’d never have looked at if only Lenny gave me that option.
Repressed anger being triggered when reminded about your own genital mutilation.
Nope, see something say something. I do the same thing with racism or fascism. I call it out.
I’m not fed up of circumcision discussions, I’m fed up with people who feel like they’ve been wronged as a result of the procedure. I’d never heard of such a thing before finding Reddit.
One of those things is not like the others. Like, at all.
Does lemmy have a function to block words? if you can't stop yourself from discussing it when you see the word, it might benefit you to not see it for a while. i've been there.
Jesus' deity is pretty famously rejected by the Jewish faith.
This is technical correct and I love it.
Didn't Jesus deny being god though, the son of god and god are not the same entity, it's like saying I'm my mother because I was born out of her, but two different entities
Jesus hadn’t been created yet. God is eternal, but Jesus was God made mortal.