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Why would China do anything that helps us pick ourselves up and onto our feet? This is the goal they and Russia have been working towards for decades.
Nah-uh. No blaming China or Russia on this one. The United States did this squarely to themselves with the world pleading otherwise. They inserted their own head in the vice and started spinning the handle.
Sure, it aligns with the communist block's benefit, but the US really needs to be held accountable for its own idiocy on this one. Its the first step in recovery.
Trump provided China an excellent excuse to start a trade war and look like the heroes while doing it. This is absolutely Trump's fault, but China has no reason to not take full advantage of it.
That's true. The US has been interfering in other country's domestic affairs for decades. Organising the odd coup, overthrowing elected leaders. Suddenly people are shocked to learn that it can work both ways.
A country with strong democratic institutions are pretty resilient to these tactics. You might not trust the politicians, but you trust the officials, the military and the courts.
It seems that the US has dismantled trust in these institutions for a long time. It has let corporations run the show. So Russia and China have an easier task.
TBF we already started it ourselves
Neither Russia nor China are communist anymore. Russia is run by corrupt capitalists and has been since the 1980s, and the only thing Communist about China is the name of the totalitarian party that runs its government, which consists of a mix of state-funded and private capitalist enterprise.
China is very much a socialist economy
Really? The workers control the means of production? From here, it looks like state capitalism augmented by inconsistently regulated private enterprise (which sometimes leads to the entrepreneurs disappearing when they've neglected to grease the correct set of Party palms).
Oh so we're denying that Russia and China led disinformation campaigns squared solely at disrupting American politics for decades? Are we also ignoring the Murdochs from Australia?
Just wanted to get that straight before I started saying whatever the fuck I want.
The embarrassing thing is a lot of that disinformation was shared on social media networks that were created in the US.
Creating the tool that your enemy uses effectively against you is not a good look.
Mate, the Murdoch's? America's lap dog newspaper moguls.
They're you're mouth piece of shit trying to force Australia to be more like you sepppos
Rupert Murdoch was born in Australia, what even are you talking about?
And bailed his citizanship the instant the US proved more likely to give him the easily manipulated press he wanted
I'm saying that Murdoch doesn't work for Australians and our interests. He's a lapdog of the US
Murdoch has never served the interest of any state. He has relentlessly pursued his agenda, which is to undermine the centrist quasi-democracies in English-speaking countries and to promote nationalist authoritarianism.
i believe russia be to blame, it kinda obvious weakeaning america helps putin, it has been his goal for 10years,.
Trump was getting fat on Russian mob money since the 1980s, probably as a reward for him ratting out the Italian mob to Giuliani, which created expansion opportunities for the Bratva.
putin ramped up his misinformation, conveniently around the time he was elected , '16-17 on reddit we saw significant purges for the very first time, and peoples sensitivites as massively increased. my very first bans of an og account around that time.
And they do it to their citizens too...
...And we do it to other countries and we do it to our citizens.
You can't condemn another country for what we've been actively doing considerably longer than them having never stopped credibly. Our house is made of that candy glass they use in movies in this particular arena.
The oligarchs and their increasingly captured government, including both parties, have been poisoning us against anything that isn't hyper-capitalist greed enabling from the great depression to the McCarthy witch hunts into today. Very few Americans could define socialism or communism in any sense with a gun to their heads, but they've been misinformed into being filled with hate and/or dread when they're uttered.
Name one world superpower that doesn't actively engage in mass disinformation campaigns both within and without, I'll wait. I'd also argue that like our general military, we certainly spend the most on our global Orwell machine. Our CIA, along with the KGB, are the OG playbooks other nations refer to when doing it themselves.
How does that make any of it right? And how does it negate my point?
So far you've said a lot of obvious things, none of which refute my point that this end is what Russia and China have been working towards.
I'm starting to feel like this is a controversial opinion, but maybe the American people should be the ones holding their own government accountable? Interventionism is the worst way to fix a country and I very much doubt it even could be done for a country like America.
I am hoping the US splits apart, allowing the red states to destroy themselves. Conservatism is a cancer, and the condition would be easier to excise if it was a solid tumor.
Too many innocent people will be taken down as the cult self-destructs.
One way or another, the cult will murder people just because, and will continue to do so until the cult is extinguished. It is better to hasten that by being willing to oppose the regime. Many people are being trafficked by ICE.
Difficult to argue against, except America is doing this too us as well, and we don't get a vote.
All the more reason to not do anything about it. Let America implode and their interventionist power also takes a hit.
It's been fucking wild as a resident of a non-us country seeing some of the commentary coming up. We must radical empathy! How dare other countries take advantage of X Y or Z? The shoe is on the other foot, and by GOD is it a problem if anyone but the US starts doing what the US has been doing to everyone else on the planet my entire freakin' life
We all know they're propaganda riddled exceptionalists but goddaaaamn. Need to learn to accept cause, effect and consequence
What "communist" block are you talking about? Is this 1989?
Only if you take what I said very literally. The Chinese and the Russians are concluding, I'm sure you would agree.
Colluding, you mean?
Of course, spelling was never my strong suit.
I do appreciate being corrected. Thank you...
Colliding, colloidally.
russia maybe, because putins directing trump to do this, more or less it helps russia in the long run.
"Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake."