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It's something I struggle with. Some bad news comes out about some public persona doing something shitty and they get cancelled. But sometimes I really struggle with giving up the things they've made because I like them. There are also occasions where the person has been accused of something and it doesn't seem true to me, or I think they're genuinely sorry and have been punished enough, and the context isn't being considered.

What do you think? Who do you feel conflicted about enjoying?

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[–] Hermit_Lailoken@lemmy.world 5 points 11 hours ago (9 children)

Marilyn Manson, I like his music.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I do too. I pretty much hated all music made in the 90s; I think grunge is awful and so is NIN, but I felt like Manson was a natural extension of what bands like WASP and Motley Crue were doing but reinvented for that generation, and it's really good. I like music that has some concept and theater to it. I still listen to him.

I also like Die Antwoord; I think the accusations by their adopted son are total bullshit. I'm not saying they're good people and I do think they're homophobic, but also a lot of their image is obviously artificial and they obfuscate their true lives, it's clear from reading their interviews. I think they're genuinely average middle aged parents from South Africa, and I think what Ninja said about their son making accusations was to try to get money from them is true. I really dig their crazy music and their videos are insane.

[–] Hermit_Lailoken@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I am with you about Grunge, I never understood the appeal for Nirvana and I think the accolades should go to the Screaming Trees and Alice and Chains. My favorite Manson album is Mechanical Animals. I know what you mean about Die Antword, the kid they adopted is an addict and I view him as an unreliable source.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Grunge is so dull. I am all for generations developing their own style of music without question but I can't believe we turned away from 80s music to THAT. I thought Nirvana was mediocre as can be. Love Mechanical Animals, but like all of his albums to some degree. I'm glad he's gotten back on his feet in life and got sober and lost the weight.

Die Antwoord, what Tokkie is saying just sounds so outlandishly fake. I don't think they're great people but I actually think they care a lot about their kids.

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