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Why is the government allowing CP generating AI's to exist?
Because of who the president is?
Because the question was political. I'm sorry that you've got such a teeny tiny brain that you can't work out that if somebody asks a political question then the response must demonstrably be political. I don't know how else to put it.
You really want to go down the "which president wants to fuck his daughter" route?
You sure about that?
They are actively blocking restrictions on AI to serve their billionaire donors, so yes.
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That's what you're going with? Good fuck
There is no reason to believe Biden is a villain here meanwhile trump was found to be a rapist in court
EVERYTHING is political these days, you just get tired of defending corrupt, traitor, racist, misogynist, ignorant, incompetent, PEDOPHILE.
And ANYONE who supports him are all those same things themselves. Repeat: ALL MAGAs are corrupt, treasonous, racist, misogynist, ignorant, incompetent, and PEDOPHILES.
That includes YOU. You are defending him, that makes YOU a PEDOPHILE.
Im with you mostly, but words do mean things, even in this post-fact society.
I understand that, which is why I want to make it very clear that anyone who voted for Trump is a Pedophile.
Don't like it? Don't vote for pedophiles.
Sure, bud.
I guess that makes all voters politicians, then?
Or just voters that defend politicians?
Not real clear how this transitive property is supposed to work.
No, just voters that are MAGAs, which supports and defends pedophiles as an official tentpost of their party philosophy.
It's simple: Anyone who supports and defends pedophiles is a pedophile. If you vote MAGA, which is ANY right wing/conservative candidate, then you are a Pedophile.
It's so simple, even a MAGA pedophile like you can understand it.
Ah, so you’re just applying it to this one word.
These same supporters are not; con men, obstructionists, felons, rapists, liars, insurrectionists, fraudsters, racketeers, etc etc. just pedophiles.
I’m not, but thanks for playing. Surely even a pedophile like you (I’ve changed the definition to include you) can understand that somebody can say “words mean things” without being a pedophile.
No, I apply all those words to MAGAs, it's just that this particular thread was focused on pedophilia, so that's what I was emphasizing for this specific conversation.
But make no mistake, ALL MAGAs are corrupt, treasonous, racist, misogynist, ignorant, and incompetent, as well as pedophiles. Anyone who votes MAGA, or supports or defends them in any way, is also ALL those things. No exceptions.
If a MAGA doesn't like that characterization, they can convert to morality, and thoroughly renounce MAGA, and MAGA ideals. Then live by it for a decade or so. Then I might consider them to be something other than pure MAGA garbage. But probably not. I'd never forgive a Nazi, I doubt I'll ever forgive a MAGA.
Ok, but if I support somebody who is protecting LGBTQ+ folks, does that make me LGBTQ+ or is it only the bad things that are transitive?
I see you didn’t say they were felons, rapists, con men, racketeers, etc. Are they these things too?
words mean things
Supporting people who do abhorrent things is bad. Inexcusable even. It does not necessarily make you those things.
It doesn't necessarily make me gay, but it does make me an LGBTQ+ supporter. I'm not gay, I like girls, but I'm down with queer culture just fine. Calling me Gay would be innacurate, but calling me Queer might not be, even if I don't identify myself that way. I wouldn't be offended by it, though, I could comfortably identify as Queer Adjacent. I like gay people, I even have gay family members that I love enough to unhesitatingly give my life for them.
MAGAs are pedophiles because they support pedophiles. They might want to parse it more, the way I did between gay and queer. They may not be actual pedophiles, and instead more accurately identify ephebophiles or hebephiles. That's so much better. /s
Bottom line, parse it all you want, they are still exploiting and molesting underage children, and covering up for each other.
Got it. And it only applies to pedophilla, for reasons.
Are you just going to go around on circles? I already wrote in a previous post on this thread:
I am discussing Pedophilia because that is the subject UPU chose. If you'd like to discuss any of his other vile characteristics, like Treason, or Racism, or Ignorance, or Incompetence, etc., I'd be glad to, but the subject of this specific debate was pedophilia, so it's disingenuous to blame ME for the choice of subject.
So to be clear, you do consider all of maga to be felons, rapists, con men, and racketeers?
It’s confusing because you used a completely different set of words from the ones I did.
Or is it only the things they “are” instead of things they “do?”
Your line for when you decide to redefine a word just seems arbitrary.
Those characterizations depend on circumstances. Many of those labels (con men, racketeers, etc.) fall under the general category of corruption. A felon needs to have convicted of a felony. Rapist? Sure, that applies to Trump, and I usually include it. Frankly, it was oversight, so feel free to add it to my list. AreAGAs rapists? Probably not technically, but they are Rapist adjacent. Apparently they support rape.
Who's "redefining" anything?
Pedophile doesn’t though?
Agreed.
Fully agreed.
What is your definition of pedophile?
This entire conversation is around your change of the definition of this word to include these asshats instead of just conceding they are “pedophile adjacent.”
No, Pedophiles are a special category. If you have a confirmed pedophile living in your house, actively molesting children, and you cover for them, make excuses, offer alibis, deny their behavior, etc., then you are just as guilty of pedophilia as they are. It's just like when a group plans and commits a murder, it isn't just the triggerman who gets charged with murder, it's also his accomplices.
If you know there are pedophiles among your organization, and you don't enthusiastically root them out, and instead cover for them, you are guilty of pedophilia also.
What is your definition of pedophile?
Why doesn’t your murder example extend to voters? Or does it?
A pedophile is anyone who participates in the sexual abuse of underage people.
If Trump was openly committing murder, and MAGA voters were supporting it and defending it, I absolutely would accuse them of murder. I'm getting pretty close with the boat bombings, but I'm still short of calling it murder just yet, but I'm getting there. I'm saving that charge for when he trains his murderous inclinations on American citizens.
I see, so is "participates" the word you want to argue about now?
For the sake of argument, let's assume that Luigi Mangione did in fact kill Brian Thompson. Are all of the people who support him murderers?
You can accuse anybody of whatever you like. Doesn't make it so.
I see no reason to "argue" about the word "participation." You can try to argue about it, but my meaning is clear, arguing about parsing words is boring, and I have no more to add in that regard.
No, because killing a Corporate Serial Killer for Profit isn't murder, it's defense of others, and legal.
And/Or
It wasn't murder at all, just a normal, predictable correction to the Free Market. The Corporate Serial Killer's policies went so far in abusing his customers that they eventually spawned a customer so angry that he ended the source of those abusive policies. Studies show that following the hit, not only his company, but other health care companies as well, loosened their approval policies for a time, proving that it WAS a Free Market correction. That's not murder, that's Economics.
All I’m arguing. All I’ve been arguing the entire time, is that you are broadening definitions of words to include people they otherwise would not. Apparently you don’t feel it’s sufficient to call them accomplices (you got close with your murder example on this one), enablers, cult members, or any of the other countless words and phrases we have that would be accurate.
You’ve made it pretty clear that you don’t actually want to argue that point, and yet you’re still here.
"I voted for Mr. Hitler because he'd be good for the economy. I didn't go in for all that Jew-killing stuff, you can't blame that on me." - German citizen, 1946
There are no accomplices, enablers, etc. if you support and defend murder, you'll be charged with murder. Don't like that? Don't help with murder.
That’s quaint.
It's not political if its true, Trump is in the Epstein Files, after all
You dont know what politics is do you
Because our country is literally being run by an actual pedophile ring.
They'd be more likely to want to know how to do it themselves, than to stop it.
Because money is the only thing we, as a country, truly care about. We're only against things like CP and pedos as long as it doesn't get in the way of making money. Same reason Trump sharing Larry Nassar and Jeffrey Epstein's love of "young and nubile" women, as Epstein put it, didn't kill his political career -- he's the pro-business candidate who makes the wealthy even wealthier
The orange Nazi could be raping a 12 yr old girl on national tv, but say it's the libs and drag queens who are the rapists, and his cult with put their domestic terrorist hats back on
The problem is that it's impossible to take out this one application. There doesn't need to be any actual nude pictures of children in the training set for the model to figure out that a naked child is basically just a naked adult but smaller. (Ofc I'm simplifying a bit).
Even going further and saying let's remove all nakedness from our dataset, it's been tried... And what they found is that removing such a significant source of detailed pictures containing a lot of skin decreased the quality of any generated image that has to do with anatomy.
The solution is not a simple 'remove this from the training data'. (Not to mention existing models that are able to generate these kinds of pictures are impossible to globally disable even if you were to be able to affect future ones)
As to what could actually be done, applying and evolving scanning for such pictures (not on people's phones though [looking at you here EU].) That's the big problem here, it got shared on a very big social app, not some fringe privacy protecting app (there is little to do except eliminate all privacy if you'd want to eliminate it on this end)
Regulating this at the image generation level could also be rather effective. There aren't that many 13 year old savvy enough to set up a local model to generate there. So further checks at places where the images are generated would also help to some degree. Local generation is getting easier by the day to set up though, so while this should be implemented it won't do everything.
In conclusion: it's very hard to eliminate this, but ways exist to make it harder.
You say this as if the US is the only place generative AI models exist.
That said, the US (and basically every other) government is helpless against the tsunami of technology in general, much less global tech from companies in other countries.
I'm saying why is it so easy for like 12 year olds to find these sites? Its not exactly a pirate bay situation - you can't generate these kind of AI videos with just a website copied off a USB and an IP address.
These kind of resources should be far easier to shutdown access to than pirate bay.
Exactly. Snapchat could 100% filter and flag this using AI if anyone cared to make them.
Snapchat allowing this on their platform is the insane part to me. How are they still operating if they're letting CSAM on the platform??