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[–] CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world 105 points 1 day ago (5 children)
[–] Glide@lemmy.ca 93 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Of course it was. Of course Christianity took a line intended to protect children from abuse and "mistranslated" it to be homophobic.

[–] docoptix@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Well it is also very important for Christians that molesting boys is just "oopsies" but not gay.

[–] Asidonhopo@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Considering how in the original Greek text of the New Testament the Apostles were all described as being between 10 and 19 years of age hanging out with 30-something year old Jesus, and how Jesus' crucifixion was a result of him being caught in the middle of the night in the Garden of Gesthemane (Mark 14:51-52) with a naked boy, yeah I'd say they have a complicated relationship with gay molestation of the underage.

Certainly not the mainstream view taught in church but classical philologist Dr. Ammon Hillman has the receipts.

[–] Rcklsabndn@sh.itjust.works 4 points 23 hours ago

I mean, Jesus has limitless love, right?

[–] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

It's less about it being gay that's the problem than the fact that it's an unspeakably horrific crime.

Intentionally covering for pedophiles, in my mind, removes any shred of credibility for the "moral guidance" offered by said organization. I was raised Catholic but I think even if I hadn't become irreligious as I am now, I would still shun the Catholic church for a denomination less insanely corrupt and evil.

[–] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Can't really pretend that it's not interpreted that way by some Jewish people. Not Reformed but certainly among the Orthodox.

[–] axexrx@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago

Iirc, the hebrew word that gets translated to 'lay' is also a pretty suspect translation. Its only other usage in the OT (and our only other known context for it) is to describe a man pursuing his wife's servant, and contextually, is more likely to mean 'molest' or 'rape' than to describe consensual sex.

The 2 words translated to 'man' are also different- the first being 'ish' the second being 'zachar'

While both can generally refer to anyone male, ish can be used in the context of 'anyone', or 'husband/ man of the house', whereas Zachar is often used biblically to refer to young males, and /or subordinates.

So put together, this passage is likely 'nobody should be molesting boys,' or 'a master shouldn't rape his servants or children'

[–] Ellvix@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Unfortunately not mistranslated, but for sure another outdated thing to ignore. I heard it was probably discouraging people from joining a nearby cult thing in Egypt that had male male acts, which sounds like it was more about religious competition than homosexuality, but I'm no expert.

[–] CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Except it was mistranslated? There’s been quite a few studies showing it

[–] HowAbt2day@futurology.today -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] cyberwitch@reddthat.com 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

A lot of scholars point out that homosexuality wasn't really a concept in the ancient world. Neither was marriage for love or anything other than a means to perpetuate genes and familial property. But what was very much a concept was machismo. Being a "bottom" (in different terms back then) was considered degrading and "womanly," and that was typically the issue at hand, according to many scholars, such as DanMcClellan, Robert Alter, and Jerome Walsh.

[–] a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Have they not hear about power bottoms?

[–] cyberwitch@reddthat.com 1 points 6 hours ago

Like electricity and central heating, they hadn't made that discovery yet

[–] cliffracer_cloaka@piefed.social -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

yeah because they cared so much

stop those disgusting apologetics

[–] CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Huh? What was I apologizing for? The passage is mistranslated in English, wtf are you on about?

[–] moistclump@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Just fyi, scholarly Bible interpretation is called “apologetics”.

[–] CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago

They were studying language translation, after noticing the translations from Hebrew to German were very different than from Hebrew to English. It wasn’t interpretation of the material, it was an analysis of the translations.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago

You know that discussing the Bible is not the same as apologetics?

I get religious trauma sucks, but the critical analysis of primary source texts from the ancient Near East has absolutely nothing to do with your shitty pastor giving you a hard time for being gay.

I invite you to name a 9th century BCE society that fits whatever moral requirements you think are needed to make a culture worthy of historical study.