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Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth denied allegations that he texted classified war plans to a Signal group chat that mistakenly included The Atlantic’s Jeffrey Goldberg.

The National Security Council confirmed the chat’s authenticity but called the inclusion of Goldberg an inadvertent mistake.

Lawmakers from both parties demanded investigations, with former CIA Director Leon Panetta warning of potential espionage violations.

Hegseth dismissed Goldberg as a "deceitful" journalist. Trump denied knowledge of the incident.

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[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 37 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Why is nobody talking about the fact that we are bombing Yemen? Yes, including a random person in a text channel talking classified information is a problem. But, why are we just brushing off the actual chat contents?

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 22 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Because pointing out that America is bombing Yemen is like pointing out that water is wet.

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That's not an excuse. There were huge ass protests over the Vietnam War, and the Iraq War. Putting pressure on officials to end this bullshit os worthwhile. Shrugging, and saying meh, it is what it is is super unhelpful.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You can protest the bombing of yemen and you will be doing a noble thing and get zero attention and have zero impact.

If you clown on them for inviting a journalist into their secret consequence free war chat - you will recieve lots of attention and potentially play a part in forcing some of these gouls to resign.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Exactly, they aren't ashamed of being evil, but they are ashamed of being incompetent

[–] Englishgrinn@lemmy.ca 20 points 4 days ago (1 children)

There's a couple reasons -

  1. It wasn't so much "bombing Yemen" as it was, bombing a terrorist organization within Yemen's borders. This is something every American administration has done for decades. That makes it poor political fodder, you can't "one up" the competition with it.
  2. Most Americans would agree that the Houthis, once it is explained to them who they are, need to be bombed. The actual action would be reprehensible to some, but acceptable to most. You can't put pressure on an admin to change their tactics when they feel they have a plurality of support.
  3. The sad and undeniable fact is that in American politics - American lives are simply more important than foreign ones. That's not really unique to American culture, it's not meant as a criticism, it's just a sad reality. Bombing Yemen is pretty low risk for American lives - but sloppy OPSEC put American lives at huge risk so that's where the focus is.

In a perfect world, the fact that America is committing violence in other nations and is not realistically reigned in by International Laws or Treaties would be a point worth getting upset about. But that fact is over 100 years old and has been successfully normalized. The idea of incompetent buffoons operating the Department of Defense like a bunch of frat boys trying to organize a kegger is marginally newer and more impactful on the national psyche.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

I can't believe I've found an actual adult on a lemmy thread.

[–] HalfSalesman@lemm.ee 11 points 4 days ago

I don't think we're ignoring that, so much as there is an overwhelming amount of bad shit to talk about stemming from this single incident.

And to be honest the bigger issue revealed here isn't the failure to protect classified information or that they're bombing Yemen (In a vacuum at least) right now but the fact that they are violating the law also by using an app that destroys documentation of their conversations. This has implications not only legally or militaristically but also that they know they want to do shit that would be illegal and evil enough that they don't even want to use standard classified channels, not just bombing of Yemen but probably more future evil shit.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 9 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Every president since Carter has bombed Yemen (I think).

[–] Fenrisulfir@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 days ago

So it’s like hazing now?

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (2 children)

That doesn't make it a good thing. Should we just accept that the U.S. military industrial complex is what it is, and shrug it off? Bcz that's what you're suggesting.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm just saying it's unremarkable.

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world -2 points 4 days ago

Im sure the people being bombed in Yemen feel the same way...

[–] tacobellhop@midwest.social 1 points 4 days ago

This is the real waste fraud and abuse. Lockheed Martin testing out it’s ww3 tech on Houthi

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

They're bombing the Houthis rebels who are (were?) fucking with the red sea shipping route to protest Israel, but I'm not sure how much they're still fucking with it today. The Yemen government isn't fully in control of Yemen.

[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 days ago

CENTCOM shit. If Trump and Elon were genuine, they'd get rid of this true waste of tax payer $s.