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My Alex Jones listening co-worker claimed I had TDS. He was all big on Trump as the Epstein Files were gonna be released, the economy was going to have all the factories returned to America,food would be cheaper..
I just bit my tongue and said nothing.
Now, with his wife's medical needs so severe that he's got almost nothing left at the end of each month, he says to me "How come we can't get an affordable medical system that covers everyone completely.." to which I said, "Well, we could have that and be like every other civilized nation on Earth, but that's 'socialism' after all and we can't have that.. I mean isn't that what your right wing radio says?"
He's gotten awfully silent about lots of that stuff now and I mentioned Epstein files being not released and he lost his shit over it. I told him that there was no more "deep state" it was the State now, and is right there in Washington DC and in your face. He is no longer disagreeing with that assessment.
I think that the reality of the situation is breaking through the Trump Delusion Syndrome a lot of these die-hards had and they are starting to see what really is going on and they're pissed and silently fuming about it now.
My co-worker took the vinyl "1776" stickers with the tattered flag backgrounds off of his truck and lost all his Trump swag as well.
That's definitely good news
Reality is crashing in and with the number of these folks on assistance that Trump has cut, it's only going to get worse.
My prediction is that if you still see a die-hard Trumper like in the photo, it's actually someone wealthy that's cosplaying.
The majority of Trump supporters generally don't have two pennies to rub together, and given what's going on in DC right now, they probably don't have that anymore and they're pissed..
I'm glad people like your coworker have the mental bandwidth to realize who's causing their problems, but I'm worried a large number continue to blame the evil libs, migrants, or just aren't personally affected enough to realize anything changed.
I have a really hard time believing that reality is crashing in on them. The most fucked up and shitty state by pretty much every measure is Oklahoma.
Oklahoma is the only state in the US were Trump won every single county.
Totally personal, but I have to take a moment to thank you because you just improved my life dramatically. I've been going through a lot and the last ten years have effectively turned me into the worst version of myself. It is incredibly difficult to justify doing anything in a world this shitty. But you, unprompted, pointing out that I live in the worst place possible gives me a little hope that maybe, just maybe, life isnt supposed to be like this everywhere.
Also, living in Oklahoma, I can tell you with 100% certainty of this: Trump has changed nothing in these peoples minds. They believe that Trump is ordained by God. You cannot argue with this people. There is NO logical train for them to follow. I dont think people realised how serious Trump was when he said he could shoot someone on wall street and he wouldnt lose support. Trump is single handedly the most dangerous person in this country, because half of the country believes he can fundamentally do no wrong. If Trump does it, its not illegal. I would even go so far as to say its dangerous to court these people. They have established that they do not fit in society, they use "God" as justification for breaking legal and societal rules. The precident here is wildly dangerous: but not making an example out of Trump that theocracy will not be tolerated, we are signing the death knoll on democracy.
Democracy is built on discussion and compromise. These people are physically incapable of doing so, because to do so would misalign them with God and condemn their eternal soul to damnation. There is fundamentally nothing you can do to get these people unbrainwashed, beacuse to unbrainwash them is to send them to Hell.
Anyone who has changed their mind on Trump this year is dangerous. It just means they dont think this brand of fascism is working. But the fact that theyve supported him for this long means theyll hop on the next fascist train. Theyre not concerned with the actual problem he represents, theyre only concerned that his brand of fascism is hurting them in the now.
God, i really hope many of them suffer badly.
Homeless and on the streets is the fate they deserve.
I do too. It sounds bad, but it's the only way they'll learn anything. I hope they lose everything for treating people this way for the last fucking decade.
Only seeing the light when it affects them directly. Classic.
Well, at least they ARE seeing it now.
At this point, you can work on them to bring it all into focus and the FIRST thing I always say is "you gotta get away from the billionaire controlled cable TV and social media sites.." then I point them to the vanilla news sites that have no editorializing, like AP and Reuters.
If they are open to it, I also point them to using Firefox and adding uBO. Given that sites like fb are now running rage-bait scam ads, the ad-blocking is critical.
A lot of the MAGA folks have been overwhelmed by the noise.
I have one close friend that told me yesterday he was "one of those guys that voted for Trump and regrets it" I was so proud I could cry.
The question is he going to do it again for the next charaltain that offers him mean, easy answers that just hurt everyone?
Only time will tell, but deep down I think his mind is changed. We didn't have any local elections with everyone else but I'd be surprised if he doesn't vote blue next time.
We even have fucking Marjorie Taylor Greene getting angry at Trump and blaming the shutdown on the Republicans.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryroeloffs/2025/11/04/marjorie-taylor-greene-says-shes-ok-with-angering-trump-amid-shutdown-rift-he-usually-yells-at-everybody/
If that doesn't show anyone how common this type of thing has gotten...
People won't see anything beyond their front door until pain comes knocking. They cannot even think to see things from another person's view nor have empathy or understanding of anyone but themselves. Fuck all of them.
Don't talk shit until you've walked a mile in someone else's shoes, then you'll be a mile away and they'll have no shoes.
These people think that because they're white and Trump is white that Trump is talking to them and not about them.
The fundamental problem with this logic is that anyone dumb enough to have fallen for this in the first place (and to vote for Trump again in 2024) is more than dumb enough to fall victim to all the nonsense of the next election. There's no way this momentary glimmer of rationality will survive an election campaign, and the utterly broken epistemology of these people is no closer to being fixed.
If it's anything like religious "Great Awakenings" that the US seems to go through every now and again (which I think it is), I think you'll find the movement much smaller than it first was as people on the fringes peel away quietly with each disappointment. They didn't lose anybody for years because they didn't really get to be disappointed, but now they have their promised messiah back in power they're struggling to make sense of it all. The core might double down after each disappointment until the leader dies, but each time they have to add a new layer of complexity to what they believe, and each time they will lose a few people, particularly people that find the least community and identity through the movement. People that won't lose as much if they leave.
Where at the peak of some "Great Awakenings" the majority of people are part of the movement, by the end it's sometimes just a small community of a few thousand members. There is never a single event that causes most people to leave, it's gradual.
Edit: I'd also like to note that they didn't have much opportunity to be disappointed in his first term (most of the terrible things he did didn't really disappoint his followers) until the end when people were dying and inflation was rising, but their messiah was out of power before they saw the full effect of it, and so they got to blame somebody else for inflation and Covid deaths and so on (if they even believed Covid existed).
On one hand, I have a coworker who clearly angrily scraped his trump stickers off the tailgate, and on the other, I have a coworker who straight up held a nazi salute with an audible "heil" when he started talking about his favorite band, Rammstein.
Now I don't know anything about Rammstein and their political views in general, but I've known a few Germans in my time and they all held very strong (negative) views on the nazi regime.
Most coworkers have stopped talking about politics and such in general during breaks though.
Rammstein got so sick and tired of being called Nazis just because they make harsh music with German lyrics that they put out "Links 2 3 4" two decades ago to clear up that they lean socialist. And Till Lindemann himself has said repeatedly that they hate Nazis. And yet, people still associate them with it because they can't think beyond "Scary German music = Nazi".
Wild. Anyone can pull up Amerika and get a pretty good vibe for what the band stands for.
Yeah. That song even has the benefit of being in English, so you don't need to find a translation as an English non-German speaker.
I LOVE Rammstein.
Watch their video Deutschland and you'll get the gist very quickly of what they think of NAZIs and authoritarian, repressive governments in general.
They are absolutely off their tits.
One down, 70 million to go.
Sheesh, talk about kicking a man when he's down, for the purpose of scoring political points.
They only see anything when it affects them, and you have to remember at the core of his actual beliefs, past the bullshit he says so he can sound like a semi not piece of shit human, is that he wants to hurt marginalized people.
It backfired on him a little bit too much for his liking, but many more are completely fine paying a big sacrifice to that end.