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[–] Manjushri@piefed.social 148 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Are you kidding? They're proud of it. They honestly think it's a good thing. Along with the recent article about ICE stopping brown people and using a phone app to ID them from a photograph , we've rocketed right past the Papers-Please phase of fascism into a high tech dystopian end game.

[–] Credibly_Human@lemmy.world 17 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

And yet still, somewhere out there, there is a fake or brain dead leftist spouting on about how democrats support genocide.

"Chemo makes me sick, so Ill stick with Cancer"

[–] astropenguin5@lemmy.world 13 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I mean some of them legit do (cough Fetterman), and a lot just don't particularly care about stopping it, but that's beside the point, I know the kind of people you're actually talking about. There is still value in electing the lesser evil, and pushing to get better and more progressive Dems in office (that are usually better at pushing back against fascism anyways)

[–] Credibly_Human@lemmy.world 9 points 16 hours ago

know the kind of people you’re actually talking about. There is still value in electing the lesser evil, and pushing to get better and more progressive Dems in office (that are usually better at pushing back against fascism anyways)

This is exactly my point. The democrats have huge AIPAC backing and support some awful things, but they are fucking saints compared to the only other options in this political system.

They are the only potential vehicles for long term change and stability exactly the way you described.

Progressive candidates have to be winning primaries despite swimming upstream, and democrats have to continue winning federally despite the bad taste (chemo) they put in your mouth.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

In case you haven't noticed, the system in place now in the US became what it is today under both Republican and Democrat Administrations.

One has to be a tribalist useful idiot to deny that "their side" has done as much to create a Surveillance State as the "other" side - amongst those few things which have bipartisan support in the US are strengthening of police powers and erosion of privacy.

The comparison with most of Europe (with notable exceptions such as Britain and Russia) is very telling: it absolutely is possible to have low crime without reckless invasion of privacy, widespread civil society surveillance, draconian police powers and a pay-to-play Judicial System.

[–] Credibly_Human@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

This bothsiderism is pretty thoughtless.

It is true that both contribute to a surveillance state but to equate both is to just ignore all policy differences, actions and more to pretend to be nuanced while painting everything as the same shade of grey, which is a downgrade to even black and white thinking.

[–] beejjorgensen@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Additionally, the citizens who support this kind of government surveillance are fine with a few innocents getting charged.

[–] Manjushri@piefed.social 4 points 12 hours ago

Particularly if those innocents are the "right" color.

So long as they aren't the ones getting turned into the new fountain on the campus, they couldn't care less.