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You forgot about QoL. Yes, you only live like 3 years more, but you will keep your teeth for most of them, won't suffer from something awful like diabetes, and will be significantly smarter and stronger.
You may be the world's smartest man. I don't even care about the 3 years. Hell they're not guaranteed anyway. I just don't want to be carted around and hooked up to machines for the 20 years or so I have left.
Had an uncle who loved to drink. When he retired he was basically hammered before dinner was served almost every day. Got diabetes and a damaged liver. Died a slow and horrible death. Got necrosis in both his legs, had them both amputated. It didn’t stop his body from wasting away.
Have another uncle who loved to drink a glass of wine regularly and eat lots of red meat. Has Parkinson’s now and is severely demented. I’m sure genetics played a factor but his lifestyle didn’t help. And the fungicides used in vineyards has been linked to Parkinson’s, in France the regions with many vineyards have higher rates of Parkinson’s compared to the rest of the country.
Stronger I get. But could you detail smarter? I know that through certain biological processes and thought exercises you can build the brain's capacity, but I am unaware that you have to be physically healthy for this.
There's a million illnesses that can make you dumber. It's hard to think when you have constant back pain. It's hard to think when you're constantly tired for no reason. long covid famously causes "brain fog". So on and so forth.
Fair point, I was thinking of cognitive decline, which is still tru of course with things like dementia. I just wanted a more detailed view on it.
Poor nutrition has been correlated with a lack of success across all dimensions for generations... Including intelligence on every measure.
It was new to me that too much food is also called malnutrition, so that was my point of misunderstanding. I always thought that if you ate wayyyy too much food but it was healthy, it would be nutritionally good, but otherwise bad.
Meaning you could eat good, but still destroy your body with it. Wikipedia says that ain't so.
Try eating nothing but sugary junkfood every day, see if you can focus after that.
Yes, the pre-requisite amino-acids, creatine, B vitamins. Those things have a significant impact on your capacity to think.
I have no clue how I dodge the type 2 bullet. Like I eat relatively healthy (because steak and mashed potatoes or fast food everyday sounds boring AF) but outside of college, I am one of the laziest mfers alive. But in my forties I started getting my a1c checked my serum level hasn't been above 4.
It feels like I both won and lost the genetic lottery. Early onset arthritis and started balding in my twenties. But I'm tall, relatively healthy outside of the arthritis, and told by people who aren't related to me that I'm conventionally attractive. The genome gives and the genome taketh away it seems.
I got ADHD, reflux really early, and forehead wrinkles before I was 18 (but that's from always frowning). Other than that, I manage to occasionally get asked what grade I am in...at 30 years old.
I ate like a trash-compactor most of my life.
It's already too late for my teeth. most are falling out already.
I don't know what to say, get implants or something. I think humans were a mistake, and maybe something better will replace us.
Maybe scientists will accidentally make life that is smarter than us, healthier than us, and more ethical than us. I just hope this wretched species does not go on forever, because I don't want anyone else to suffer like this after we are all gone.
But is it really ordinary humans that is the problem? At least in my life, almost all people i meet have good in them. But watching the horrors we call leaders, of both corporations and the world, is ridiculously sad.
Maybe we just need to switch our focus away from those people who are put in our face, by media and in our jobs, and focus on eachother instead.
Yes, the ordinary person is what enabled the world to be where it is. It does not even have to be the majority of people, just a few bad apples are enough.
And we will always circle back to Dystopia, unless we straight up start implanting chips into people, modifying them genetically, or some other species takes over.
Because I really don't see how we are viable as we are. I'm not willing to advocate straight up negative eugenics either, so fuck it.
EDIT: This is about health apparently, so I was coming from a place of we rot too easily, and have tons of flaws. Like I said, genetic modification, or some less miserable species replaces us.
How did ordinary people enable it? Because I feel we have absolutely no power to affect anything.
Maybe you mean day to day actions like putting ourselves first and ignore strangers.
Would if I could. Implants would be far too expensive for me.
I agree that humanity is most likely a mistake. What have we done that's so great that warrants our continued, independent and unchecked existence?
Yeah, we've done some cool stuff, like making big buildings, and technology.... But I can't think of anything humanity has done that benefited anyone other than us. We are the benefactors of everything we do. No matter how much we to to do for nature, it's only mitigating the damage we have caused, at best. We are a disaster for the Earth and for nature.
If we were to stop existing, the plants and animals would take back the land, slowly but surely, and almost everything that made us special or unique would erode away. Our entire history would be lost to time, and nobody would care in the slightest.
Our existence is nonsense and pointless beyond whatever purpose we assign to ourselves.
I realized this many years ago, in my early 20s. Since then I've been working to make others happy, since I don't really have any goals of my own.