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The ml stands for Marxist-Leninist, and the admin (and creator of Lemmy) named themself after a genocidal warlord
Edit: only on Lemmy will you find people who read shit like this and say "that's not a genocide, those women and children deserved to be executed for the crime of being French"
That certainly is a take on jean-jacques dessalines who led the haitian revolution aganist slavery after the french betrayal of toussaint louverture.
It is an objectively correct take. Genocide, believe it or not, is always bad
I want to make it unequivocally clear that slave owners deserve to die. If they had only murdered slave owners, I would be a fan
People who say this when the president is a democrat are called "tankies" by the pro-genocide center.
No, Im pretty sure these people pretending to have innocent opinions are pro genocide because they are putting their egos ahead of pragmatism by pretending they don't understand the immense harm done when they falsely equate both parties just because neither are left leaning.
Also when they ignore that the only chance of having leftist policies come to life in America is through shifting a winning democrat party over multiple terms in a very boring and not fun at all way rather than a fictional grass roots uprising magically changing the USA, famous for its molasses slow politics, over night.
"You're pro-genocide because you're not as pro-genocide as me!" -every last pro-genocide centrist.
I'm not quite sure I can even begin to follow the logic there.
There are 2 realistic options and people pretending there are 3 are choosing the worst of 2.
There are 0 options. The election is over and carrying water for the genocide wing of the party just ensures that it never changes.
The people partially responsible for its results saying anyone else is carrying water is insanity.
The mid terms are not too long from now (if remotely free elections will exist thanks partially to them), so the idea that it's all over so let's let all the marginalized people die because we weren't happy enough letting all the gazans die is a hell of a take from the people saying they aren't pro genocide.
The people who spent all of 2024 warning you what would happen. The people that your wing of the party loved genocide too much to listen to. The people who were too insignificant to listen to are now so important that they're to blame.
Fuck that. You ignored people who knew better than you did because you wanted genocide that badly, and there isn't a centrist who doesn't prefer trump over telling netanyahu no.
Spending your time warning us that the thing you partially are responsible for happening happening is sooooo brave and very strong.
The idea that literally doing marketting for voter apathy in the most important election of the past multiple decades is a sane take is tantrum throwing naivety.
You all, almost certainly not visibly marginalized people made awful decisions that other people had to pay the price for first. Probably the only socialism you actually believe in.
You aren't making some poignant criticism, this is a child throwing their food off the pram because they're annoyed they need food to eat, and it isn't exactly what they want.
You are champagne socialists who act like you're better than the people being realistic because not getting your hands dirty is doing no work towards the goals you pretend to have.
The fact you argue against made up strawmen like this is everything I need to know. You spend time arguing against strawmen as you have no argument with weight.
You have no arguments against anything I've actually said.
No practical leftist is happy with the Israeli genocide. Real, actual, non children realize that just because both options lead to some amount of harm does not mean they are the same, nor does it mean there is a magic third option.
There was no primary this time, and we're aware the control Israel has over US politicians. You can pretend that letting people die is somehow you being above it all, or you can realize this and make the best of a shit sandwich.
All your support for genocide didn't win you an election. You're still supporting genocide anyway.
The idea that supporting genocide was a winning issue was complete nonsense. The left told you it was a losing issue and you accused them of being trumpers for trying to get you to stop. The left was correct. Genocide was a losing issue.
The marginalized people democrats didn't protect and ran hateful republican talking points against in their own ads.
You say that about anyone who wants the genocide wing of the party to stop doing the only thing you love.
Since your wing of the party has no credibility about anything but supporting genocide, I can confidently say that I'm better. You'll never be better and you will work tirelesslyu to make everything worse.
Centrists cave when they encounter pushback, except for one issue: genocide support. If you don't like being called a genocide supporter, stop carrying water for the genocide wing of the party.
Calling useless pro-genocide centrists "practical leftists" doesn't change what they are.
And you love it and want it to continue.
You can pretend that you don't support genocide and absolutely nothing else ever.
You love the taste.
At this point I can only think you are a troll.
The continued baseless assertions I am pro genocide with literally no reason in that regard combined with the nonsensical idealistic view of politics that wouldn't make sense to anyone who thought about it for even a second make this obvious.
Still not an ounce of reasoning for your positions, or even what your positions actually are, just childish imagineering of positions you can pretend I have.
You pretend you are better as a troll while you actively support the republican party, speeding up the decline of America and pushing the democrats even further right.
You're carrying water for genocide supporting candidates long after the election.
There is no amount of reason or justification that will make you accept the position "democrats shouldn't have supported genocide."
That's not a position anyone has been arguing about. It's a strawman you've made up to pretend that doing work for republicans is ok.
I wish democrats went with AOC or Bernie, but the reality is what it is and I am not a child.
It's not a position you hold.
Stating opposition to genocide isn't "doing work for republicans." No matter how much you wish that everyone was an enthusiastic genocide supporter just like you.
Bullshit.
The reality is that democrats supported genocide. The reality is that they had no business supporting genocide. The reality is that the election is over and you're still carrying water for the genocide wing of the party. The reality is that without significant prompting, you'll never say that genocide is wrong.
You're a spoiled child who gets 100% of everything they want at all times from the genocide wing, and you never want them to change.
It's obvious you are simple troll at this point so there is no point continuing. This is the first troll I've met on Lemmy but still disappointing.
You won't get a rise out of me with your simple "I'll just say you believe bad thing you don't believe while pretending to be a leftist" rhetoric.
Turns out, you cant even admit genocide is bad with prompting.
I take it you condemn the French revolution for abolishing monarchy through guillotines?
Did the French indiscriminately slaughter people based on their nationality during the revolution?
Yes. It's called colonialism. The ideas of freedom, equality and fraternity were only meant to be for white people. The same progressive revolution wholeheartedly supported the enslavement and murder of millions of Africans in the colonial processes that took place during and after.
Do you still support the French revolution?
I don't necessarily support everything that every French revolutionary did, but I do support beheading monarchs. Given my earlier statement that genocide is indeed always bad, can you guess what my stance is regarding any genocides that any French people were engaged in during the revolution?
What you asked was "I take it you condemn the French revolution for abolishing monarchy through guillotines?" The answer is no, I do not condemn the French revolution for that particular thing.
Ok, now I hope you ask yourself why a predominantly black slave revolt decapitating the enslavers deserves no support, whereas a predominantly white peasant revolt decapitating the monarchs deserves support.
The black slaves were literally enslaved by the people they executed. They suffered from their whips, from their tortures, and from the murder of their loved ones by those very people. Do you really not see why a slave revolt in those conditions would lead to excesses in violence against former enslavers?
And I hope you quit dancing around the fact that they killed far more than just slavers. Like I've already said, I support killing slave owners just as much as I support killing monarchs.
Not the women and children and poor that they murdered. What part of "indiscriminate slaughter" do you not understand? Race has literally nothing to do with it. Genocide is bad even if a black person does it. Genocide is bad even if the victims share a nationality with slave owners.
Again, I cannot believe that I'm arguing in favor of not murdering innocent people, and I'm the fucking bad guy here
The barrier between innocent and guilty isn't as clear to me. The wives and children were profiting from the slavery as much as the direct owners. I don't necessarily agree with the excess murders, but that doesn't mean I condemn the revolution, because slavery was killing many, many more than the liberation did. It was a net positive though mistakes were made, but honestly I can't blame them after what they were forced to live through. The blame is not on the revolutionaries, it is on the enslavers for creating these conditions.
I think I have to block you now. I've never been filled with this kind of indignant fury before. "I don't necessarily agree with rape and murder, but..." Kindly rid this platform of your vile presence
Ok, enslaver supporter. Get off your white horse, you literally said you support beheading monarchs.
That doesn't look like genocide to me because there was a credible threat to their freedom from the white people that benefited from slavery like the teachers, doctors, merchants etc. even if they personally didn't own slaves there was a clear incentive for them to want to bring back slavery. Also notably white people that fought with them were spared, so it's not just wantonly killing everyone who is white.
And even if excessive (which I'm not conceding btw) I'm not gonna blame slaves that had just won their freedom for being overly paranoid and suspicious of the society that enslaved them. This is not like other massacres that are directed at oppressed people to exploit them or steal their land, this is the other way around, the oppressed making sure that there is no trace left of the society that oppressed them.
Jesus Christ. I'm talking to someone justifying the slaughter of fucking doctors and teachers and children, and I'm the bad guy in this discussion
I mean if the doctors and teachers are part of a slaver society than I don't mind the dying. Like who do you think were the people upholding apartheid in south africa for example? Especially doctors, teachers and other such middle class people that benefitted from apartheid but without having to get their hands dirty were the ones handwringing about "civility". They always have such a nice facade and talk politely but their livelihood built on the back of the labor of the oppressed is very very precious to them and they are for freedom in theory, but don't want to give up any of their privileges.
Or as Assata Shakur put it
Fuck you. Quit running apologetics for genocide. Dessalines did not wait to check if the people he was having raped and murdered played any role in the institution of slavery.
Still I'm not gonna blame the oppressed for their overboiling anger. The blame should be placed squarely at the feet of the slavers and the french for their betrayal of Toussaint which no doubt eroded any notion of trust. The slavers created this situation. A lot of undereducated people that experienced nothing but unjust violence for all their life repaying in kind is not on the same scale as, say the armenian genocide. Or the palestinian genocide. Or really any genocide, which is largely characterised by a settler society stealing the land and possessions of indigenous people.