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Mass Effect and KotOR
Both have absolutely terrible gameplay. Fans tell me the story makes it worth it but if I want a good story I can read a book.
Lowkey objectively false.
Not sure you know what that word means my doodle
"expressing or dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations"
Mass Effect 1's gameplay is clanky, but 2 is much better.
ME3 is fantastic. Andromeda's campaign is somehow even better feeling, and IMO Me3Coop is absolute peak FPS.
...KOTOR is indeed bad to play, heh. SWTOR is even worse.
I feel 2 leant too hard into the "generic cover shooter" trope pretty hard and although I love all of them, I think the gameplay of 3 really got the best mechanically, though it was also the lightest on the RPG mechanics and was weaker in that regard.
Story wise, they all do their respective jobs as a trilogy excellently. 1 introduced the world and the main players well and setups a good "big bad" to defeat. 2 is a good transition to the darker tone and fleshes out a lot of the galaxy and in 3 you have the cataclysmic final showdown.
The worst thing about ME is the continuing EAness of the whole publication.
Yeah, to be clear I felt mixed about ME2's gunplay as well. But ME1's gameplay in particular always felt so off to me, and if that's OP's only experience I can totally sympathize with that.
ME1 is playable if you pick a gun focused class. The caster classes are brutal to play. 2 is a bit better for casters, but ammo and cover mechanics get annoying. 3 is pretty good but has the weakest story and the space exploration is the most annoying.
Yeah, the first ME you need to really just get in the right mind-frame that it’s old and the controls are clunky. I loved 2 and haven’t played 3.
The controls are clunky, but that's not the main issue. It's the gameplay loop itself.
Ah man I loved ME1. Heard the later ones were more gun-focused and decided to not check them out.
I'm curious what you thought was terrible about KOTOR's gameplay. It was pretty much D20 star wars (I can't remember if d20 was the ffg or the other company's) with the computer rolling the dice, and D20 games are pretty neat.
The "make the decisions and then spend five minutes watching them play out" thing was the main frustration with that one. Maybe it feels intuitive and natural for someone who grew up with tabletop RPGs, but for someone more used to roguelikes and JRPGS it felt like the feedback loop was too long.