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For nearly a decade Elon Musk has claimed Teslas can truly drive themselves. They can’t. Now California regulators, a Miami jury and a new class action suit are calling him on it.

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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 65 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I mean, of course, but we're literally talking about Forbes a financial magazine that has a long history of glazing CEOs when they shouldn't have been. This is part and parcel to what they've been doing for decades now, so it's a little silly to be like "but they can change their minds!"

For example, Elizabeth Holmes was on the cover of Forbes in September 2015, just months before the lid got blown off about her medical devices being hokum.

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I'm all for people changing their minds, but these are media organizations who literally peddle the idea that these are "Great Men" (or women) who we should be looking up to. They aren't doing the legwork to make sure their claims aren't farcical, they just repeat them as sacrosanct. Fortunes, Forbes, the Wall Street Journal are all complicit in the entire fraud of CEOs being paid obscene amounts of money and over-inflating their importance, and they've been complicit in it for decades. Cheering on one of their writers because they changed their mind when evidence became far too obvious to ignore kind of misses the point entirely about these media organizations and how they enable these charlatans to steal the value of our labor from us and take it as their own.

[–] Salvo@aussie.zone 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So what you are saying that Forbes information should be treated with all the credibility of an LLM output?

That could be argued that they therefore can’t be held liable when they spew utter garbage.

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

That should have been the assumption forever. It was always like a “market hype” publication to get CEOs and the rich to wet their panties and work to get in the publication. Forbes never really did any good investigative journalism, it was always

“this company is the future!”
And “this company is definitely not the future!”
And “these young people are certainly the future!”
And “here’s the richest people!”

And it’s always been worse since it was acquired by a Hong Kong investment group almost ten years ago

[–] onslaught545@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

So you're upset that Forbes can't tell the future?

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I think the point is that most of our complaints are FUELED by companies like forbes published data. All of the speculation in Tesla that keeps the stocks high is because of all the glazing these writers keep pumping out in word form.

Elon is not technically that important to Tesla. Would be better if writers actually wrote about the stuff tesla as a company is ACTUALLY doing to further the industry rather than talking about Elon every waking moment.

Edit: At the time I kind of wanted a Tesla car even... and had it planned for my next vehicle. But the SpaceX thing turned me off completely and that turned out to have been the best choice in hindsight. Now there's so many good options that are just better than Tesla.

[–] porksnort@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 day ago

He’s upset that Forbes did not do actual journalism. Anyone who looked into Theranos would have known that it was smelly from the beginning.

It was initially difficult to claim outright fraud, but the lack of peer reviewed research coming out of that company or that the diagnostics were even based on would have triggered anyone who was marginally competent in medical testing or even just biochemistry.

So Forbes sucks, and they printed what they were told.