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This poetgirl on Instagram says some off the wall shit.

Some of these old bitches have totally lost their mind and just spread misinformation.

This is more than mildly infuriating for me but I wasn't quite sure where else to post this lol.

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[โ€“] Saleh@feddit.org -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

For example, most religions tend to accept suffering and poverty as a given, as a test or as something that in general is by design. Assigning virtue to being oppressed ...

Islam acknowledges poverty and wealth to be given in the sense that it is not by the virtue or failing of the individual that he or she is rich/poor. This is contradicting the neoliberal mantra, that it is totally the individuals fault and thereby justified.

Furthermore it is the duty of the rich to help the poor and it is the right of the poor upon the rich to be helped by them.This is why mandatory donations for the wealthy are an obligation equal to prayer and fasting.

God tests people with poverty and with wealth. Also Islam with its prohibition of interest is incompatibile with capitalism. Christianity and Judaism also prohibit interest, but a millenia long effort to twist the prohibition away eventually suceeded.

If in millennia every religion ever has been used to crystalize a power hierarchy in humanity (from the clergy to caste systems), maybe there is a reason. And the reason is that religious thinking and mindset inherently enables these hierarchies.

Again you are describing institutionalization. On the contrary if someone is steadfast in their belief, they will obey God and not the worldly leaders, if those demand something in violation of the faith. This also creates a measure for the legitimacy of leaders that cannot be set by the leaders themselves. So what the historical and current leaders are doing is to try to corrupt existing religious institutions or build institutions so they can be corrupted. The hierarchy is inserted into the religiom by existing hierachies.

To further argue that point. What became of Soviet Russia? Maos China? Eastern Germany? All the other Warsaw pact countries? All of them were hostile to religion on a range from surveillance and coercion to death squads murdering clergy by the tens of thousands and razing places of worship down to the foundations.

Authoritarianism finds any tool to impose unjust hierarchies. And it creates its own idols to worship. Be it the market, the great chairman, the 5 year plan, the supreme race, the expanding imperium..

All these idols share one crucial aspect. They are geared towards material aspects in this world. And this is a great weakness of communist revolutionary thought. It chains itself to compete with the capitalists in the struggle for capital accumulation and distribution. Thereby communist thought is enslaving the working class to remain producers and consumers.

[โ€“] loudwhisper@infosec.pub 2 points 1 day ago

This is contradicting the neoliberal mantra, that it is totally the individuals fault and thereby justified.

Sorta. But anyway, neoliberalism is far from the only oppressive ideology.

Also Islam with its prohibition of interest is incompatibile with capitalism

I really don't think so. Interests are not really a foundational pillar of capitalism. Private property of means of production is.

obey God

And did god (or gods) speak to them? Or there is always a translation layer that includes other people; prophets, messiahs, clergy, shamans, visionaries, etc.? Still a hierarchy. Still a means of control. Who decides what the gods say controls people. That's exactly the problem with religion.

About the soviet union and other antireligious countries: there are multiple ideologies that can lead to oppression. I am definitely not going to say that without religion oppression wouldn't exist. I am saying that religion is an enabler for it.