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[–] smayonak@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Red has proven to be the most difficult color to synthesize due to how red colors oxidize or break down in the environment. The natural red colors all fade rapidly which makes them poorly suited for industrial purposes.

It's why carmine is a godsend because it's both stable but it breaks down in the environment. It also has an incredibly long history as a food dye and has proven to be safe. Unfortunately it's derived from insects so it's regarded as being... gross? Weird how consumers prefer health consequences over bugs

[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Well, that and it makes it non-vegitarian. I remember when Starbucks used insect derived dyes and vegetarians were pissed off when they weren't told their drink technically had bug in it.

That said, we eat bugs (and poop, etc) all the time since there's a legal amount you can let slip into food when processing. So eh.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (2 children)

One of the most striking quotes I’ll always remember from a documentary is “natural peanut butter has more bugs in it because natural ingredients always will”. When you’re eating processed peanut spread, the ingredients have gone through a lot more filtering and processing steps and allowed insect parts are lower.

I still eat natural peanut butter though

[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Gotta love that extra crunch!

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

And protein. It helps make the peanut butter slightly leaner and have slightly more protein!

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 3 days ago

Hydrogenated oil vs having to mix? Mix, definitely, unless physical limitations preclude it.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Is the food industry doing this research the way fossil fuel and tobacco did research?

[–] smayonak@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I dont know but didn't big tobacco become a big food company and it then used its discoveries on addiction to enhance its food products

Like a true satan

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Are you referring to Philip Morris/Kraft?

ETA idk if Staryucks is still doing it, but several years ago, they were adding extra caffeine to their coffee to make it more addictive.

[–] smayonak@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Lol 😆 @ staryucks

https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryroeloffs/2023/09/08/did-tobacco-companies-also-get-us-hooked-on-junk-food-new-research-says-yes/

They mostly divested but the addictive technology remains in their scaly hands. But yes its something like that because they still own some food producers