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If you require priests to report what they hear in confession the only thing you accomplish is people stop going to confession. Furthermore, turning yourself in is generally part of your penance anyway.
A lot of other professions have mandated reporting. That is like saying because a therapist have to turn in their client, since they are mandated reporters, then there would be less people getting therapy.
I don't think therapists should be turning in their clients, either. Criminals deserve effective therapy as much as anyone else.
They can get therapy, while also facing a judicial system.
It’s better to think of a Priest like a Lawyer. Attorney-Client privilege means the Lawyer cannot divulge information to police, same with a Priest during confessions.
A priest isn't there to defend you in court room. THAT'S why lawyers have client privilege, not to protect rapists, but to be able to mount a legal defense.
A priest can save you from damnation and interprets divine law like how a lawyer can save you from prison and interprets mortal law.
Well, we have evidence that a lawyer can do what you claim, and none that a priest can...
Which is a non-issue anyways. Iron age mythology (Not bronze aged, as I was corrected) has no place in the laws governing a secular society.
Even a lawyer has to report child sexual abuse, and in places that they don't it is still a may report instead of have to. They are also dealing with laws while priests are not dealing with laws. In almost all states anyone who deals with or takes care of a child are mandated reporters. Basically yes, lawyers are also mandated reporters in most states.
https://dcyf.wa.gov/safety/mandated-reporter
Washington’s list of mandatory reporters, lawyer is not on there.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/attorney-client_privilege
Attorney client privilege only faulters when you disclose you plan to continue committing a crime or are planning on commiting one. Or in some cases where a protective order or custody order is violated and only the lawyer and client are privileged to the child’s whereabouts. https://www.casemine.com/judgement/us/5914c52eadd7b049347d2545
What you tell a lawyer is confidential bar some rare exceptions. If you attain a lawyer and tell them you have commited the crime of child abuse they do not have to report unless you divulge a plan to continue abusing children. When you attain a priest during confession, you also have this confidentiality.
Only to protect rapists from the law, though.
Or any other crime. Confess you murdered a man and the priest is bound by confession.
And the priest has no right to claim such a privilege.
In your opinion.
If you hire a defense lawyer and confess to them you killed someone, that is protected by attorney client privilege. If you hire a lawyer and confess your intention to kill someone, they are complicit if they don't report it to the authorities, just like anyone else.
The duties of a priest have nothing in common with a lawyer under the legal system.
The duties of a priest deal with divine law, and are acting closer to a lawyer than you may think.
You're not going to heaven.
Possibly, we truly cannot know until our day of judgement. Live good and true and honest friend.
No. We can easily judge the truth of your beliefs by the poisonous fruits they have produced.
Luckily this is your opinion, and has no weight on my soul.
I don't care about penance, I don’t care about confession, and I don’t give a fuck about religion, I care about pedophiles facing justice.
And what good does going to confession accomplish?
Makes you feel better about being a piece of shit.
It allows the church to absolve your sins. The Priests are acting as representatives of God, and cannot tell anyone of anything during confession.
So God himself molested all those children? Well that's not very cool of him.
He's a real bastard
And as I said, what good does that accomplish?
Why should the government make allowances and set up privileges for grownups playing make-believe in order to get away with crimes?
It’s quite literally saving your soul from eternal damnation if you follow the religion. Just because you don’t believe in the religious practices doesn’t mean the experience is any less valid.
Except, it's just bronze age mythology... Which has no place in the law.
Iron Age actually, and because you don’t believe it doesn’t make it any less real for believers.
Anyone can believe whatever mythology they enjoy. That doesn't mean we need to codify their beliefs into law as a way of protecting criminals.
So pure selfishness then. An abortion of justice for the victim. The deliberate disregard for fixing societal problems. It only benefits the person who committed the crime by allowing them to get off scot-free. You think it's a good thing for pedophiles to avoid justice, it's good that they get to go to heaven -- just so long as they appeal to your god. Obviously it's better than the secular state prosecuting them for their crimes. You think that's how things should be.
It sounds like you don't understand what good works even are.
I'll bet you don't even wonder how so many pedophiles found protection from their crimes and limitless opportunities to molest more victims simply by hiding within the authority of your church, for literally over a thousand years. And you believe them when they claim to hold the keys to eternal paradise. Where is your god?
The church is not a higher authority than the democratic state. I know you think it's the other way around, but we have 2000 years of church-blessed genocide, torture, child-r*pe, the conquering and plundering of weaker civilizations, slavery, and corruption that proves definitively that the church must never be entrusted with power. We called the worst of it The Dark Ages for good reasons. The church is subject to the Will of The People, because the church was always lying when they claimed to speak for god. It was never anything more than a ploy for greedy old men to acquire land, gold, and virgins, and of course, to murder anyone who inconvenienced them. Same as always.
Jesus would be disgusted. The church has never followed him.
Catholics actually believe in Purgatory, where the priest saves your soul from damnation to Hell, you are still divinely punished before you enter Heaven. That is unless you get the apostolic pardon and sacrament of penance.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+9%3A1-8%2CMark+2%3A1-12&version=GW
Jesus absolves people of sins and gives men the ability to do so. Your disbelief in the ability does not influence the believers. If you have an issue with it you can always rant with the Unitarian Universalists.
I'm sure you thought that was relevant.
You consider it an abortion of justice yet they will still be divinely punished through purgation. Confession only prevents damnation to hell. Furthermore, your end sentence states Jesus would be appaled and you ranted about the church, but he did absolve sins and gave us the ability to do it.
You are incapable of withdrawing the plank from your own eye when it's pointed out. You just pretend there is a splinter in mine.
Either way, the law has spoken, the first amendment is upheld, and your opinion is not considered.
You're more concerned about your rights than what is right.
Yeah Catholic church is so big on telling pedophiles turn themselves in that's that's what history shows.
Sounds like an overall net benefit then?