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This is a good thing. Don't mock people for realizing their party has abandoned them and acting accordingly.
Better late than never, but we need to support this ideal.
Bullshit it's good, it's a farce to make the "middle" somewhere between the right wing Democrats and the ultra right wing unhinged fascists of the Republicans.
None of them are going "Damn we shoulda listened to Sanders."
They've learned fuck-all.
But getting fucked by 51-49 votes is I think much more difficult to solve than getting fucked by 65-35 votes. When there's 1-2 votes diff, people don't know why they're fucked and what needs to be done to stop it. When it's 65-35, it's much more obvious what is to be done and what campaigns have to do to organize voters.
I dunno man, that still feels like they're saying they basically agree with like 80% of what Republicans want to do in terms of giving tax breaks to the rich and cutting benefits for the poor. It seems like the bridge too far for them has been the actual fascism and tossing out the rule of law. Which is nice, but it means that this other new party will still be enabling some of the worst aspects of the Republicans if they indeed got a split like you are theorizing. That means that 65-35 split will be solidly on the side of "fuck the little guy" even if they won't outright support fascism.
100%. And I think such a status quo would be much more easy to organize voters against. Picture AOC talking to a crowd and saying how the oligarchs have 2/3 of politicians in the form of those two parties and we need to close the gap by electing more of ours - 15-20 more. Now it's like - the oligarchs are buying politicians. OK, which ones? OK, what do we do, run independents or primary them within the Democratic party? What other shit can the party pull to fuck us over? Could be totally wrong, I'm just thinking here.
Yup.
Think of it as creating a new non-MAGA Republican Party, including a few right wing Democrats.
Democrat party continues as before, minus a handful of Jim Manchins
And Fettermans and Sinemas.
Ultimately, it would draw more disgruntled Republicans who don't like the MAGA takeover of their party, than Democrats.
Nah fuck that. They did this. This isnt Trump vs Everybody. The camps are already up. they dont get come back feigning ignorance without even apologizing. They just want a pre 2015 status quo.
I mean, hell, if the right wing Dems separate from the progressives and join the less-crazy-than-maga centerish Republicans and they go play in corporate-funded Neverland that hopefully no sane voter would touch with a ten foot pole, a real progressive party might actually become a possibility. It'll isolate the magats and push them back into a hole, we may get a more moderate conservative party that could be open to compromising again, and hopefully a coalition of real progressives can begin putting forward some much needed ideas.
The key will be ensuring that that progressive party is funded well enough to compete with the corporate money that is pumped by the truckload into that new coalition (which will be a feat in itself).
I dunno, just anything to get these fucking fleas out of our politics.
The key is Campaign Finance Reform, which is the issue from which ALL other issues arise.
We need to get money out of politics.
A democracy needs many things to work properly, and they're all broken. Now that cryptocurrency exists, every politician needs to be regularly audited. With First Past the Post, we're pressured into voting for people known to accept bribes. With gerrymandering, Republicans draw lines around the 26% support they actually need. Even the elections themselves need to be end-to-end auditabile.
And ALL those problems continue because there are wealthy entities willing to donate ANY amount of money to influence as many campaigns as possible. Right now, they see their re-elections as dependent on getting as much money as possible, so all their efforts are directed at the most wealthy.
But take money out of politics, and suddenly the ONLY election currency is every citizen's single vote. Instead of appeasing a few very wealthy donors with important legislation that benefits only them at the expense of everyone else, they will be forced to support wide-reaching legislation that helps millions of citizens, in hopes of attracting their votes. Take money out of campaigns, and a wealthy person has equal political power as any other citizen - one vote. This is what the Founding Fathers were really talking about when they declared that all men were created equal.
They still deserve mockery for taking 9 years to realize it!
And for many other reasons, honestly
Seriously, more party options is a good thing even if some of them suuuck.
This one definitely suuuuucks. Just a little bit less than where we’re at now.
Workers need to, not the politicians that made this happen.
I'd have an easier time agreeing with you if any one of them had shown even a bit of spine against this fascism.
Their "ideals" allowed for this fascist regime to start
So you want them to keep those ideals?
You don't understand what they are saying. You don't understand what I'm saying.
You are the problem. Not some Republican politician whose lie you don't understand.
This is a very republican method of argument.
Edit: now tell them to go “do your own research”
It's not an argument. That is why you are confused, don't understand, and insult.
I agree that it’s not much of an argument.
No you didn't. :)