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[–] pedz@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This reminds me of the death penalty. Killing someone because that person killed is still killing someone.

However society choses to do it, it's still killing someone. Because killing is bad so if you kill, someone will kill you. Oh no, it's not a murder. It's a state employee that works in the correction department. Killers are not okay. The executioner is only applying the lethal will of society towards killers by unaliving them. It's not murder, it's justice!

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

An excuse I've heard is that it is society's way of passing the final judgement to God. Hence the "may God have mercy on your soul" line. Not only does that assume the existence of said judgement and entity to do it, by said deity's clock that judgement doesn't have to be so rushed, it can wait until a natural death. The reason reason is to satisfy the desire of revenge, but even that doesn't work, as killing the killer doesn't bring back anyone.

Death penalty in a modern society is insane. Addressing the problems that lead to such behaviors is the long term fix, not killing who does it.

[–] ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 2 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Ha, look at this guy here, thinking society wants long term fixes.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 2 points 23 hours ago

Clearly not, since we're still at this point. I was hypothesizing an improvement.

[–] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 2 points 23 hours ago

There are places in the world that don't have the death penalty...just sayin

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 2 points 21 hours ago

Yeah it's a weird confidence in the justice of the afterlife.

If you want the maximum amount of suffering for the perpetrator (something the US justice system seems eager to) then killing them only with it if there's a Satan grilling his ass. If their existence just ends it's rather merciful.

So even if you are hell bent on having a punitive sentencing system (even though it's proven to be unhelpful for everybody involved) the death sentence doesn't make sense at all.

A life sentence where the perpetrator is kept alive for as long as possible, against their will (which is ironicall supposed the merciful thing according to the pro life folks (who also overlap with pro death sentence folk, interestingly)) is technically the most severe form of punishment.