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This battlefield approach is likely to become a lasting part of Russian military practice, making it relevant for those preparing to counter Russian aggression

All credits to Tatarigami_UA and Frontelligence Insight team

Thread with key findings here: https://xcancel.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1937204380740256083

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[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I mean sure they will, it's just that an unmanned autonomous LMG mintank isn't thattt much more effective than infantry, and is much much much more vulnerable to being destroyed by a more nimble human opponent especially if they have RPGs.

edit let me extend this point for emphasis, you are scared of a dinky top heavy wheeled robot that looks like a weaponized version of WALL-E? Ok well imagine a weapon system with the brain of the most intelligent autonomous agent known on earth, that is contained within a robotic frame that has already proven itself capable of squirming down into the deepest caves (including waterfilled ones) and scaling vertical rock walls sometimes without even any additional equipment and imagine they could be trained to be very very good at shooting any old obsolete RPG laying around and put that weapon system in places that you could never counter or predict with wheeled robots, autonomous or remote controlled.

If the situation happens to be in mountains and the people I am referring to as weapon systems happen to be locals that know the landscape very very well than you have no hope just the same as the Soviet Union or U.S. did when they tried to occupy Afghanistan.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sling_(weapon)

Human beings survived because we are born athletes, just the same as all animals on this planet, but we are superbly adaptable athletes capable of inventing whole new sports on a whim, and the worst part is we are always talking to each other and teaching each other tricks so once one of us figures out how to beat an enemy the knowledge spreads like a virus among us.

..but yeah, unmanned ground vehicles will absolutely be used for attrocities and it will be awful I don't doubt that.

However, you can't tell me these type of unmanned rescue vehicles won't be used for rescues all over the world in conditions that rescue services simply couldn't justify risking a human life to try to reach somebody in desperate need of help (Imagine a flood rescue scenario where an army of amphibious versions of these could evacuate people en masse, they wouldn't even necessarily have to do anything other than float up to wherever the trapped people in need of rescue where and they could jump on and hold tight. Do one better and strap food, water and blankets to the top of the derpy rescue bot to deliver in the process of the rescue. This could massively extend the capabilities of rescue crews especially in situations that were again too dangerous for human crews to do themselves.)

This is basically the concept of a self propelled allterrain stretcher, and the use cases for that for human life saving are immense, even just as a compliment to emergency personnel conducting a rescue.

https://euromaidanpress.com/2025/04/18/drone-ambulance-service-finnish-volunteer-helps-produce-battlefield-evacuation-drones-in-kharkiv/

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During the war, Rinne had assisted families of fallen Finnish fighters—handling death confirmations, coordinating DNA tests, retrieving remains, and escorting them back to Finland. These experiences raised difficult questions: how can casualties be evacuated without exposing other soldiers to danger? How can this be done under fire? And how can the dead be recovered respectfully?

The solution, he believed, lay in ground-based drones. Rinne reached out to a drone manufacturer in Kharkiv and pitched a concept. Together, they developed a system of unmanned ground vehicles including a sapper drone, an automated turret, and an evacuation platform. Though these UGVs have yet to be deployed in combat, Rinne currently envisions them as a kind of drone-powered ambulance unit, ready to respond to battlefield requests.

https://united24media.com/latest-news/ukraine-deploys-gimli-unmanned-ground-vehicles-for-high-intensity-combat-5612

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CkkTI7PLQM4

https://www.technology.org/2025/05/26/defenders-of-ukraine-demonstrated-a-robotic-medevac-mission/

In the Kharkiv region, they had to perform a medevac mission when the risk of a drone strike was very high.

The point of evacuation was 12 km from a position where the wounded soldier could be safely collected for a further journey to the field hospital. Because of Russian activity there, sending a regular armoured vehicle for this medevac mission was considered impossible. And so the defenders of Ukraine sent the Targan – an electric 4×4 ground robot. A DJI Mavic drone watched it work from above, making sure that there is an easy path for the robot to come home.

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

In a perfect world, sure, but in reality it'll be far more like Waymo taxis at best.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Ok here is one example that immediately disproves your cynicism.

Imagine you are walking through a field and all of a sudden you step on a mine. Maybe you are soldier in a war, maybe you are a kid exploring an overgrown lot the adults told you to avoid, who knows the situation all that matters is you stepped on the mine and now it has severely wounded you to the point that you will die if you aren't immediately evacuated.

Luckily for you, there are people around that can call for help... but wait... you and them realize in horror that if anybody tries to rescue you they are also walking into a minefield. This is a very real situation and is one of the brutal aspects of minefields.

Now imagine there was a robot stretcher that somebody could drive up to you (perhaps driven at high speed in the back of a truck to the location by emergency personnel), load you up and drive away and whatever risk the robot would be taking wouldn't matter because worst case the robot blows up, best case a human life is saved.

There are plenty of equivalent cases where the lethal threat isn't a minefield, and you can sketch out basically the same situation.

This isn't a hypothetical, these vehicles are already being used in Ukraine to do this kind of thing, ferry people who need medical help through environments risky enough that a normal manned medevac vehicle cannot or is not allowed to perform the medevac. These aren't crazy complicated impractical machines either, they are basically a box with wheels on the bottom and a stretcher on top.

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I am not misunderstanding the concept, thank you. I am, however, extremely skeptical of power being capable of valuing human life beyond a stat.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Ok here is another easy hypothetical, imagine the surfboard equivalent of an umanned water-jetpowered surfboard that could be sent out to rescue people who have been swept out to sea in storm conditions. In a situation that might be too dangerous for even lifeguards to enter into, a surfboard could be driven out to the person to at minimum provide them something to hold onto and at best rescue them without ever having put a human life at risk, and rescuers will have been able to try a lower percent success rate rescue mission that was none-the-less better than sitting back and doing nothing (vs. putting a human crew in extreme risk and failing to keep them safe during the rescue).

These unmanned ground rescue vehicles make a normal stretcher immediately obsolete in any kind of open terrain scenario where help is far away, difficult or dangerous to get to (if even just to get a person being rescued to somewhere a medevac helicopter can do a pickup and take it from there). None of this precludes a human crew accompanying the UGV rescuing someone and thus it could still mostly be a human rescue operation, but the humans can be far more alert to dangers and hazards and deal with them accordingly because they aren't exhausted and distracted by carrying the person on a stretcher themselves.

Logistics will never be the same, of any kind, honestly it is such a generally useful and simple use of unmanned technology.

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You're missing the point, citizen. Good luck.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 week ago

Thank you! Good luck to you too!