this post was submitted on 24 Jun 2025
116 points (97.5% liked)

News

30641 readers
3514 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil


Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.


2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.


Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.


Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.


Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.


5. Only recent news is allowed.


Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.


6. All posts must be news articles.


No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.


7. No duplicate posts.


If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.


8. Misinformation is prohibited.


Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.


9. No link shorteners.


The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.


10. Don't copy entire article in your post body


For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/46747422

Archive article: https://archive.ph/YX7on

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] ptz@dubvee.org -5 points 1 week ago (9 children)

For those of you unwilling to actually read the article, it's not money.

The pool of blue-collar workers who are able and willing to perform tasks on a factory floor in the United States is shrinking. As baby boomers retire, few young people are lining up to take their place.

...

For some companies, remaining globally competitive involves the use of sophisticated equipment that requires employees to have extensive training and familiarity with software. And employers cannot simply hire people right out of high school without providing specialized training programs to bring them up to speed.

...

“We spent three generations telling everybody that if they didn’t go to college, they are a loser,” he said. “Now we are paying for it. We still need people to use their hands.”

...

The country is flooded with college graduates who can’t find jobs that match their education

...

The Trump administration’s aggressive cuts to training programs for blue-collar workers have also hurt efforts to train a new generation of factory workers.

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 39 points 1 week ago

It’s money.

They’d have to pay for training, which costs money.

[–] flandish@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago (2 children)

it is always money. this is how labor works. need training? pay for it. need me to be trained before hiring? make it affordable. again: money.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 8 points 6 days ago

I shouldn't have to pay for training, let the evil overlords sacrifice a pittance and also pay well. Otherwise, detail cars, clean houses, mow lawns. Tell evil people "bye!"

[–] brendansimms@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

This is why I make it abundantly clear to people who ask me about my college choices that i am going to college to LEARN - not for job training. I am willing to pay money to people to teach me new things. I am NOT willing to pay money to get trained to do a job for someone else.

[–] evenglow@lemmy.world 32 points 6 days ago

It's money. Companies don't want to pay people to train them. They want to hire people already trained.

Someone has to spend the money to train people. Company, government, or person.

People did what they were told. They paid money for college training. Not company training.

[–] thedruid@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

Yes, it IS money.

[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago

And employers cannot simply hire people right out of high school without providing specialized training programs to bring them up to speed.

It is 100% money. You are so close to seeing the point with this sentence. If the factory owners paid for specialized training programs for new hires, then they would have specialized employees who can do the job. They are neither willing to invest money in new people, stubbornly insisting that people already come fully trained, but also not willing to appropriately compensate those who are both trained and willing to put their bodies at risk on a factory floor.

[–] DomeGuy@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago

"this job requires specialized training we're not willing to provide" is the same management failure as "the wages offered for this job are not sufficient to attract workers."

Raise the latter, and give the former with a reduced wage for a set number of years.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

They also mention that they’re physically demanding jobs with inflexible schedules.

Even if I had the training I’d still want way more to have to leave my house and put on pants to potentially get injured, either acutely or chronically.

[–] andrewta@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago (2 children)

That's a lot of down votes for the truth

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Yeah, well, dog-piling is Lemmy's whole thing. Especially when someone points out that there are much more specific factors to blame besides "capitalism bad".

Fabrication companies don't (always ‡) pay for your welding certification, hospitals don't pay for doctors to go to med school, software companies don't pay for your CS degree, HVAC techs don't train you straight off the street, etc. People forget trade schools are a thing / alternative to college degrees and that you're expected to take those paths yourself. Even apprenticeships expect you to have at least some background as to not waste time on you, unless they're just super desperate.

But no, everything that ails you has to boil down to "capitalism bad" even if that's as technically true as "breathing oxygen eventually leads to death".


‡ It's not unheard of for them to pay for that certification (I can speak for at least one instance), but it's definitely not the norm.

But it’s false.