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hey, yeah, so, my people were also slaughtered by the nazis. some of the first, actually. and again by reaganites. I have watched loved ones die slowly and horribly with my own eyes in non-nazi-related deaths. like actually seen smelled touched it, not just heard stories from grandma.

and I would rather see this shit if it reminds people the stakes of current politics. also, that's a nazi in the pic, it just happens it also got kiled because of nazi shit.

but also, and im not a mod of anything and this would probably get you banned a lot of places:

nazi shit needs to be shown for what it is. no more looking away. a century of looking away and pretending it couldn't happen here, that it wasn't happening here, that it was just about 'ethics in games journalism' or whatever bullshit is what got us here. show that shit.

if we keep looking away, we will keep letting it happen. I would rather see a few old photos of gore a bunch of times than have to smell them, or risk being them, every time I go outside. a state of affairs which we are perilously fucking close to.

edit: so please; post more gore. you might just be saving lives!

never cry over spilled nazi.

christianity, since the roman empire adopted it at the very least, has been mostly a tool of appropriating warm fuzzy feelings and directing them towards a king.

capitalism was always been into lack of competition. it's not about markets, that's a more modern bullshit invention. it's about valuing ownership over labor. caring about the nobility rather than the peasants' labor, but with more contrivance.

mood on the free speech.

it's a known nazi dog whistle, dude.

I don't know how much time you've spent around or in the milleiu of silicon valley, but there's a LOT of fascist shit there. all the major funders of this technology are literally fascists. many of them sig heiling nazis, or assholes who talk openly about the need for a fuhrer/king. this is not secret. one of them, without this technology, has helped multiple far right governments into power, aided multiple genocides, and turned all of your older relatives into nazis. one of them is known as 'the vampire of silicon valley'; the guy who invented the whole 'blood boy' thing (yes that's real) and has dedicated his vast vast fortune to ending democracy, likes to name his shit after stuff from LOTR; first big one was 'palantir'. look up what those are for in the books. since its modern resurgance, most of the investments from his VC fund have been in this technology.

im skeptical but open to that. it's just that these models are pushing pushed into literally everything, to the point they're hard to avoid. I can't think of another kind of specialized lab tool that has had that done. I do not own, nor have I ever owned, a sample centrifuge. I don't have CRISPR tools. I have never, outside of academic settings, opened wolfram alpha on my home computer. even AUTOCAD and solidworks are specialist tools, and I haven't touched any version of either in years.

because these models, while not good for anything anyone should ever actually want outside a lab setting, are also very very good for fascism. they do everything a fascist needs to, aside from the actual physical killing.

and I don't think the level of development and deployment that these tools get, along with the wildly inflated price of the hardware to run them (or anything else) and death of web search, the damage to academic journals, etc, is a net benefit. even to specialized researchers who have uses for specialized versions of them as the statistical tool that they are. certainly not to the fields over the long term.

fun how you didn't respond to a single one of my points. because you can't.

sooner, if we advertise hard on reddit and they keep this shit up. if there's one thing kids these days are good at; it's evading these fucking censorship systems.

WTF

okay then. you tell me what these models are. at a technical level. how they work. what do they actually DO? do you know? are you just shilling? can you cite any sources? I'll show you mine of slightly better quality, if you show me yours. don't be shy, babe. hit me with that academic good-good. don't worry, im currently bedbound and have (some) journal access.

it's an easy fight to pick

no it's not. i've been saying this for years, and the constant failure of these systems to have a single god damn utility for the average person while absolutely ruining every part of the internet we used to treasure as they're shoved into everything in an enshittification push we couldn't have imagined fifteen years ago is only just starting to convince people. fuck your fascist nonsense.

but the enemy is not there

they literally are. peter thiel's seqouia capital, elon musk, and every other billionaire, even the less explicitly fascist ones, are shoving this wildly unprofitable technology into everything. they literally lose money on every query, massive amounts of our productive capacity has been dedicated to making the hardware that these run on. countries are having brown outs and water shortages to run that fucking hardware. I actually used to enjoy video games, but I haven't been able to buy a new graphics card in like a decade. why, if not this? if peter thiel is not your enemy, then you are either ignorant, or your are my enemy. if elon musk is not your enemy by march of 2025, then you either just woke up from a very long coma, or you are my enemy.

something useless

then why are we putting so many fucking resources towards it? you don't see me fighting against minecraft or fucking roblox. im not ready to riot about adobe's subscription model. I have a closet full of pretty clothes that are wildly impractical in my current climate.

wasted of resources and spirit

feels like it sometimes, when people shill for this crap day and night, but none of them ever seem to know what the shit you're talking about.

the true enemy, they have been oppressing you since before electricity

who is 'they'? because we both agree that people have been largely oppressed since before electricity, but i get the feeling that when you say that, you mean 'the jews' and not 'the parasitic nobility who used them as a middleman to get around a technicality to do something their religion explicitly forbade while giving them a sacrificial firewall they could slaughter every few decades in a good pogrom whenever the peasants got too upset about being exploited, plus their modern counterparts'.

A lot of systems we have already made are super fucked up. this is true. a lot of them were designed to fuck shit up, and be generally evil. we do that sometimes.

these systems only serve to magnify them. see, there's been a massive marketing push is to call these things "artificial intelligence". they're not. they tell you it's all to complex to explain, but type something on your phone. no, really, do it. like a sentence or two. anything.

you just used the small easily comprehensible version of a large (thing) model. the problem is, as you try to scale complexity on these, both accuracy and compute resources grow exponentially, because it's literally the same kind of algorithm as your software keyboard uses to autocorrect, but with a bunch of recursion in it and much larger samples to reference every time someone hits a key.

there are some philosophical implications to this!

see, there is no neutral. there is no such thing as a view from nowhere. which means these systems are not. they need to be trained on something. you don't just enter axioms. that would be actual AI. this, again, isn't that. these are tools for making statistical correlations.

there's no way to do this that is 'neutral' or 'objective'. so what data do you think these tools get fed? Lets say you're a bank, let's say you're wells fargo, and you want to make a large home-loan-assessment model. so you feed it all the data from your institution going back to the day your company was founded. back in stagecoach and horse times.

so you have names of applicants, and house statistics, and geographic location, and all sorts of variables to correlate and weigh in deciding who gets a home loan.

which is great if your last name is, for example: hapsburg. less good if your last name is, for example: freeman. and you can try to find ways to compensate, if you want to. keeping in mind that the people who made this system may actively want to stop you. but it's possible. but these systems are very very good at finding secret little correlations. they're fucking amazing at it. it's kind of their shit. this is the thing they're actually good at. so you'll find weird new incomprehensibly cryptic markers for how to be a racist piece of shit, all of which will stay within the black box and be used to entrench historical financial bigotry.

death is the great equalizer, but this system can be backed up indefinitely. it will not die unless somebody kills it. which could be really hard. people can learn to be less shit, at least in theory-we can have experiences off the job that wake us up to ways we used to suck. this system can't though. people can be audited, but aside from rebuilding the whole damn thing, you can't really do maintenance on these things. the webs of connections are too complicated, and maybe on purpose, we can't know what changing an already trained large (whatever) model will do.

so these systems are literally incapable of being better than us. they are designed to be worst. they are designed to justify our worst impulses. they are designed to excuse the most vile shit we always wanted to do. they are forged from the jungian shadow of our society, forged from the sins, and only the sins, of our ancestors, forged with the intent of severing our connection to material reality, and forcing all people to surrender. to lay down arms once raised in support of the great titan truth that has always stood between regressive agendas and their thousand year reich, so they can finally kill it, and replace it with blind tribalistic loyalty to their fuhrer.

so please stop shilling for this neon-genesis-evangellion-ass-fuckery.

you're not gonna get one.

a reflection of who is in charge of it

not even that. it's an inherently more regressive version of whatever data that person feeds it.

the two arguments for deploying this shit outside of very narrow laboratory uses, where everyone was already using other statistical models.

A. this is one last grasp at fukuyama's 'end of history', one last desperate scream of the liberal order that they want to be regressive shit heads and build the abdication machine as their grand industrial-philosophical project, so they can do whatever horrible shit they want, and claim that they're still compassionate and only doing it because computer said so.

B. this is a project by literal monarchists. people who wish to kill democracy. to murder truth and collaboration; replace it with blind tribalistic loyalty to a fuhrer/king. the rhetoric coming from a lot of the funders of these things supports this.

this technology is existentially evil, and will be the end of our society either way. it must be stopped. the people who work on it must be stopped. the people who fund it must be hanged.