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Summary

Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez condemned Donald Trump and Elon Musk at a packed Arizona rally, accusing them of harming working-class Americans and promoting oligarchy.

Sanders denounced corporate CEOs as “major criminals” exploiting workers, while Ocasio-Cortez called for stronger Democratic leadership.

Rallygoers urged Ocasio-Cortez to challenge Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer after he supported a Republican funding bill.

The rally, part of Sanders' “Stop Oligarchy” tour, follows criticism of the Democratic Party’s weak response to Trump’s agenda and features further events in Colorado and Arizona.

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[–] Abstracted@lemm.ee 126 points 1 week ago (12 children)

I wish you Americans would deal with this crap before I end up getting drafted to defend my country from the orange porcine dementia patient.

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 59 points 1 week ago (31 children)

Seriously. One of the most conservative old guys at my running club yesterday said, and I quote, “someone needs to kill Donald Trump and Elon Musk.” And I live in Alberta.

We are absolutely done with the US’s bullshit up here guys. Fucking do something. If one more of you cowards tries to tell me you’re going to vote harder in the primaries or some other stupid limp dick excuse, I swear to god man. Our lives and sovereignty are being threatened here. For the love of god do something actually useful for once in your lives.

[–] Photuris@lemmy.ml 36 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after every other option has been exhausted first.

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[–] cheeseburger@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I hear you, brother. I'm in Alberta too, but never been interested in guns; I'm waiting for my PAL to be approved as we speak. My parents and in-laws are terrified and upset about their grandkids potential futures. I'm talking to them daily to try to calm them down. We're angry all the time, and now filling with anxiety about the upcoming election, because we all see the lies and bullshit tied to money, power, and ignorance starting...

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[–] tingly@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago (8 children)

What do you suggest Americans do? Say someone is a working class American who didn’t vote for Trump. They can barely make ends meet and have no power or political sway. What does that person do? I’m not trying to be funny, I’m simply interested in your take and perspective as a non-American.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 35 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I saw something recently that was talking about how individualism has led us to this situation. Everyone is thinking what they can do. We lost our collectivist spirit. We don't think about what we can do.

An individual has essentially no power. A group does. We need to get better at organizing. This is made hard because we are so separated from each other, driving individually to work, then back home, largely to houses where you don't interact with anyone else. We have basically no third places anymore where you'd typically organize. This situation was designed, and it's going to be hard to get out of, but we need to get better at forming groups and organizing.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This situation was designed, and it’s going to be hard to get out of, but we need to get better at forming groups and organizing.

Nothing can be fixed until it's understood to be a problem, and AOC from her stump speeches and emails seems to at least recognize the problem you're pointing that American systems are essentially "massively scaled up isolation from others".

Rugged individualism has failed us. It's going to take a reclamation of collectivism to fix our problems.

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[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They are powerless if everyone stops giving them power

The country is nothing without its workers

Of 10-20% of the population actively protested and actively tried to halt any functioning of society, you'd be surprised at how much you could get done. A that large mass of people is absolutely hell to control and subdue, and they certainly cannot arrest even a significant fraction of them. If the threat of protests of that scale were real every time they tried some fuckery, they would give in very quickly

The problem is that almost everyone thinks like you say, "what am I to do? I'm powerless", and give up before even trying

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

I'd love leaderless movements to have a better track record than they do, but the reality is that I think they fail much more often than they succeed in this country.

People can't just quit their jobs and occupy wall street forever.

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[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (3 children)

And while we’re at it, why don’t people in China have the freedom to speak out against their government and not have censorship? Maybe if they all just got together in a big public square and really protested, I bet that would end really well.

[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I mean, if they all did it, it absolutely would make shit happen

The whole issue stems from most people wanting to just keep their heads down

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[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

People in numbers have ALL the power. I know Americans have been trained for defeatism, but look at what protest, resistance, and strikes can do overseas.

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[–] zane@infosec.pub 10 points 1 week ago (16 children)

Face it. Your blaming dirt farming peasants that John the bastard is going to crusade your lands.

There's literally nothing we can do about it besides die as well in most cases.

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[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

If it comes down to that then I’m sure me and some of my fellow Americans will rebel and put the 2nd amendment to the test.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 63 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I really hope this "AOC takes over the Democratic Party and saves America" arc has a happy ending

[–] shawn1122@lemm.ee 28 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (14 children)

She's a young, outspoken woman of color. Old white people would never let it happen, even if half are in a nursing home mainlining Fox News straight into their frontal cortex and can barely walk on their own.

A lot of folk are still recovering from Obama being elected twice.

At least Bernie looks familiar to them, so the hatred will be tampered.

[–] boughtmysoul@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Actually the groups that swung the election for Trump were young men (HUGE swing), and immigrants (despite voting against their own interests and pulling the ladder up behind them for future immigration).

Senior men were more likely to vote for Kamala than young men.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 8 points 6 days ago

We gotta figure out how to De-Tate people

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[–] Iceman@lemmy.world 43 points 6 days ago (2 children)

This is some actual leadership looks like. It's not something that commes around every 4 years around election time trying to triangulate a voting block.

[–] stabby_cicada@slrpnk.net 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Save your praise until they actually win some victories. Marches and rallies are a good start, but they don't necessarily translate into political action. Remember the women's marches in 2017? The largest single day protest in American history and it did exactly two things: jack and shit. People went out, waved signs, went home, and Trump flipped three court seats and ended Roe.

Bernie in particular has always been great at turning out a crowd, but he's never been able to turn that into political or legislative victories.

[–] bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Ok so 4 years from now, when the major complaint has been gathering support only happens during election time........

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[–] Overshoot2648@lemm.ee 38 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I was there. It was awesome seeing so many people. I prefer Mutualism over Democratic Socialism, but like AOC said there, "no matter if you disagree with me on a few things, if you are willing to fight for someone you don’t know, you are welcome here."

[–] match@pawb.social 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I've even been telling my friend group that now's not the year to criticize tankies so long as they're fighting fascists

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 9 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I'll oppose authoritarianism no matter what the flavor is.

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[–] S_H_K@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (25 children)

From here the outside ot really feels that you need to start another party now. Like nice rally and all of that but the dnc has been screwing you over every fuckin time.
Edit: Or a representative parliament system? That winner takes all shit shouldn't be...

[–] rockhard@lemm.ee 8 points 1 week ago

That is because both GOP and DEM are corporatist parties. They will not cater to working class people because those people aren't the ones throwing the most money at them. Left wing populism is nothing more than a tankie wet dream since citizens united.

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[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] silverlose@lemm.ee 8 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Fr let’s go. We cant wait until 2028. AOC president and Bernie vice president (or something like that)? Would be a dream come true…

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[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 28 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (20 children)

Here's what I'd like someone to explain: suppose we have four (or even eight) years of president AOC.

Everything is going dandy. Palestine is recognized. Student loans are discharged. Maybe we're even on track to get a public option. Etc. We get everything we want.

It seems like it only takes 1 (ONE) election cycle for Dems / Liberals / Progressives to stay home and be like "naaah, I just don't feel it this year...Not gonna vote" to undo everything. Dems have had a slim majority in the house for the last 20 years. SC is one seat away from disaster.

We are only in month #2 of Orange Fucks presidency and look at all the damage he's done. We're back to square one. Nothing changes. I'm starting to get blackpilled about the whole democratic experiment. Someone give me some perspective please... I just don't trust the American voter any more. The only consistency is Maga will always show up to vote no matter what piece of shit is written on the ballot. Dems / Liberals / Progressives: we need to move mountains to get any political coalitions or clout to achieve anything.

[–] PurpleSkull@lemm.ee 16 points 6 days ago (3 children)

You're getting blackpilled because your scope of what liberal democracy is is incredibly limited and almost childish. Student loan forgiveness? Recognizing Palestine? Those are useless carrots dangled in front of you that do not materially change the country or even count as policies.

If you want to lock out authoritarians for another 100 years and have a real democracy you need to think bigger and grow up. Fundamental voting procedures need to be overhauled. The judiciary needs to be completely removed and then reinstated with additional safeguards against partisanship. Return to a gold standard and abolishment of stocks. Yes, the entire stock market. Quite frankly the entire constitution needs an overhaul to a degree where the old one should just be tossed into a fire and the flag changed afterwards to reflect all these changes to the country.

THAT is what is needed. To remove FUNDAMENTAL and ENDEMIC problems that have been plaguing this republic for 200 years now!

But instead of thinking about that, you just prefer some free money in the form of debt forgiveness. And that's why Trump won and he and his successor will keep winning for the foreseeable future.

[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

You somehow missed my entire point and managed to focus on the least important aspects of my question. The situations I described were hypotheticals reflecting the best possible world.

My entire thesis is all it takes for one election cycle for progressives / leftists / liberals to not bother getting off the couch and everything we work for si setback another 100 years. It will take sooo much time to undo what Elon and Trump have done it just the past two months. I don't care about the goddamn student loans. My argument is democracy doesnt work, does it?

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[–] Theonetheycall1845@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago (2 children)

We must get rid of gerrymandering and the electoral college. Nothing will ever change until that shit is gone. Until then, rinse and repeat.

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[–] anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Liberals and progressives staying home wouldn't matter if the democratic party appealed to the working class as a whole instead.

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[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Replacing the Citizen’s United court decision with actual law would go a really long way towards keeping corporate money out of politics.

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[–] thisphuckinguy@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] wanderwisley@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago

We need more of this. Mad respect to ACO and Bernie for standing with us and telling truth about this administration.

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