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[–] sik0fewl@lemmy.ca 32 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Any nation that wants to keep their sovereignty needs nukes. Agreements like the Budapest Memorandum were a mistake for some of the countries involved (Ukraine).

[–] vega208@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 days ago (13 children)

Lol, I wonder when Ukrainians will connect the dots that they're in this position solely because they put their faith into western powers that didn't deliver on their side of the bargain.

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[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I mean, I have a chaotic solution we might try. Let's simply...reverse the Budapest Memorandum! Let's just hand Ukraine a few hundred thermonuclear warheads, with launchers and launch codes and say, "here, go have fun!"

"The president has announced...that we have reversed the Budapest Memorandum..."

:D

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[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

This is the correct answer.

The only thing that keeps imperialism at bay is mutually-assured destruction.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago (11 children)

Every country needs to have a nuke, based on what we're seeing the US and Israel do to Palestine and what Russia is doing to Ukraine.

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[–] thatradomguy@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Anyone else feeling WW3 vibes yet? No? Just me? K

[–] Isthisreddit@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago

Rising fascism all over the place, what can possibly go wrong

[–] _Nico198X_@europe.pub 2 points 2 days ago

Definitely not just you.

And all of this sits at the feet of Russia.

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[–] Arancello@aussie.zone 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Short answer is yes. Trump has proven that any alliance is useless. So every country needs the ultimate deterrent. That means nuclear and a reliable delivery system. Thats the only way Russia, the us, China or other aggressors can be held at bay. Ukraine and Venezuela probably both regretting decisions that removed their deterrent.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Short answer is yes. Trump has proven that any alliance is useless. So every country needs the ultimate deterrent.

Good point.

[–] porcoesphino@mander.xyz 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is scary for the increased risk of some pretty terrible outcomes but with US security guarantees as untrustworthy as they have become then actions like this are tough to argue against

[–] porcoesphino@mander.xyz 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If I was a South Korean or Taiwanese government official working to ensure future sovereignty, I'd be considering the same

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago

I wouldn't be surprised if a bloc forms between Indo-Asia countries, providing mutual aid, nukes, and trade to box in China. Phillipines, Taiwan, India, Korea, Japan, Australia, all have good reasons to cooperate.

[–] chunes@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The more nations that have them, the higher the chance they'll be used. It's going to happen sooner than we think.

[–] minkymunkey_7_7@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I actually think the Star TREK First Contact dates may be right.

[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 days ago

Now I want to see a movie where the only country that can have nukes is the last one that got nuked.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 6 points 1 day ago

Welp, hope you've all been saving your bottlecaps.

I've been hiding them all around my house in every openable container, so even in the event that I don't survive, a lone wanderer can at least benefit from my mild alcoholism.

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago

The Security Dilemma of international relations: Keeping your own country safe requires doing things that will make your neighbours feel less safe.

[–] BodyPower@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Denmark needs the nuke too to protect it self from Russia, but also the US.

[–] HerrBeter@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Med plutonium tvingar vi dansken på knä

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If one country has nukes, all countries should have nukes. It’s only fair.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 17 points 3 days ago (2 children)

No country should have nukes, and more countries acquiring them makes that goal even harder to achieve.

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

If some countries have nukes, probability of nuclear attack is high

As more countries have nukes, probability of nuclear attack drops significantly

It's impossible to have zero countries with nukes anymore, someone will always have secret nukes, which leads to high risk

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

As more countries have nukes, the chance goes up. More leaders have the opportunity to pull the trigger. It only takes one crazy guy taking power. Or one nuke left improperly secured, especially in an unstable country, and then it gets stolen and used, even as a dirty bomb.

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[–] pilferjinx@piefed.social 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

And it's open season for those with nukes to invade others without.

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[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yeah but who’s gonna stop them? I know that’s the right answer for a pageant contestant, but be realistic.

[–] Jym66@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I thought Japan could never have an army again after WW2, never mind nukes??

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They had restrictions on their military, which were recently (in the last decade or so) lifted.

[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 2 points 21 hours ago

Not exactly, or at least not insofaras repealing article 9 (I think is the one). Japan has done a lot of "this isn't what it looks like and you can't prove it's not what we say it is" as a strategy for building things they probably "shouldn't".

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Rules don’t seem to apply anymore, so fuck it

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[–] Yeller_king@reddthat.com 3 points 2 days ago

I need em too.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 days ago

Well, that's what happens when you elect a fascist.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Let's see next is Germany and Italy to say it.

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[–] dukatos@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

Ask USA for some...

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