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What's the difference between a civil war and a revolution to overthrow the rich?

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[–] Blackfeathr@lemmy.world 65 points 2 days ago (4 children)

These chucklefucks have been screeching about civil war since Obama was elected.

And these jabronis will be the first to fold like cheap lawn chairs when they figure out that when a civil war starts in earnest, it very quickly strips them of all the comforts they feel accustomed and entitled to.

[–] I_Jedi@lemmy.today 34 points 2 days ago

I'm pretty sure a lot of people are going to starve when the just in time supply chain shuts down.

[–] DomeGuy@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I feel like the whiskey rebellion is a bit of an unfair one to include. Mostly because rebelling over taxes was rather common historically, and now that I'm considering its a tad weird we haven't had more tax rebellions here in the US.

[–] DomeGuy@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

When George f****ing Washington , inaugural president of the United States, leads troops into battle to assert the rule of law and congress's ability to impose taxes it kind of sets a precedent.

America's had a bunch of tax rebellions, though . It's just that being a functioning democracy let us do it without anyone dying. (Save for two very notable exceptions.)

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Came here to say this - the conservatives have always been among us...and they have NEVER been happy about having a free country.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

And these jabronis will be the first to fold like cheap lawn chairs when they figure out that when a civil war starts in earnest, it very quickly strips them of all the comforts they feel accustomed and entitled to.

Could not agree more with this. I know a few RW preppers in my life and I always ask them to walk me through the scenarios they play out in their head. Most of them still think they are going to be fighting against a rogue government. Of course, this rogue government is assumed to be "Communist" because, well, reasons, LOL. This, even as they can obviously see what the cons are doing right now.

All of them are utterly delusional about how it would play out at least in my view. I always ask them about their plans for becoming a farmer. They talk about how they have enough guns and ammo, and some number of months/years of food. And enough fuel to heat your house for that time, as well as medicine to sustain whatever health conditions you have or may arise.

Okay, let's say you actually have a full X years worth of food for everyone in your family. And you fight off all threats for X years. Now what? You know nothing about how to grow crops and have no seeds. Probably no real land to grow it on. The U.S. has collapsed and unless you take up raiding others' food supplies (probably also diminished or completely run out, so not all that viable, never mind the moral compass being broken) you are doing...what?

I think these people have watched too many zombie movies or things like Red Dawn or whatever and think they are just going to sit somewhere on their front lawn with their AR-15, taking out "bad guys" wearing clearly delineated uniforms to designate them as a "Communist" or from "Big Government", and if they think about something like food, they just assume they'll be munching on MREs or whatever. Life doesn't work like a first person shooter game...FFS.

[–] not_that_guy05@lemmy.world 48 points 2 days ago

It's a civil war to them since they think they are party of the same club as the rich, and the other half is just racist which again is also a civil war for them.

Loser mentality is all maga and Republicans have.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 40 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Ya know? If we had a way to have clear distinct war lines, I'd absolutely join a civil war. You're telling me these guys want to challenge us to a fight till the death? Ok.

The way I see it, either I'm fighting for a better tomorrow, or I'm dead and don't need to suffer through maga's amerikkka.

I'm good with either result.

[–] VirtuePacket@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 day ago

War is a romantic notion until it arrives.

[–] neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 days ago (6 children)

I’m sure it is documented, but I’m just thinking now if families during the civil war were as divided over politics as people are today.

My Dad loves Trump, I am on the other side. I would not fight in a war, as I would not fight against my family even though we do not agree politically.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yes. That was a huge part of the civil war. There are volumes written from first hand perspective about families being torn apart over the war. Families meeting on the battle field, on opposite ends.

That absolutely happened back then.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 3 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Not so many books were written at the time about the families torn apart by slavery. But oh, if a family of us white people feels bad about something, that warrants a book.

What we need right now is not a war, but a million John Browns.

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 day ago

I'll fight against your idiot dad

[–] krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 day ago

Your dad is a stupid fucking piece of shit.

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Quexotic@infosec.pub 3 points 1 day ago

Tl;Dr:Then the sniper turned over the dead body and looked into his brother's face.

Yep. Families were absolutely split in half with brothers fighting each other in some cases. The Civil War wasn't civil at all.

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[–] elbucho@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago

And yet, if someone were to shoot him as an enemy combatant, they'd be prosecuted for murder. Curious.

[–] athairmor@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"I will submit to you that the Second US Civil War has already started. They're just using surrogates," the Republican lawmaker said. The Indiana state senator added, "I submit to you that that's accurate."

Guy sure likes to submit to whoever’s listening.

[–] P1nkman@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Oh, he'll submit, alright...

[–] flamiera@kbin.melroy.org 27 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yeah yeah, okay. I've heard the civil war shit about as much times I've heard "WE ARE STARTING A REVOLUTION!".

Both haven't started in any earnest and honest fashion because both sides are too comfortable in their armchairs. It's just internet shit-flinging for the most of it.

[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's hard to tell what we're closer to: civil war or the rapture. They're always on about one or the other. And it's always the same weirdos spouting it.

[–] xnavy@lemmy.zip 4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

It's pretty easy when one of those options is made-up, shitty fanfiction.

[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 1 points 13 hours ago

Worse.

It's shitty fanfiction that has become cannon.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

The cons have all the power at the moment. If anything, they are going to ratchet up violence on normal Americans via things like ICE.

[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

These same assholes couldn't beat farmers in straw hats with bamboo sticks.

Fuck them.

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The Vietnamese had an advanced military, supplied by the Soviet Union, and hardened by a long conflict with French colonisers before the United States got involved. Your racism is showing.

[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

How do you know I wasn’t talking about Cambodia? Do you think all people who wear straw hats are the same?! Your racism is showing!

[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

MAGA traitor says what?

[–] bagsy@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Oh noes!! i didnt get my way!! Cry, cry, cry.

[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

How would a civil war be fought in the US in 2025? Where would the battle lines be drawn? It seems like if any skirmishes were to break out anywhere, the police and the military would come in and reestablish order very quickly. Maybe if there was fighting within the military itself, but then whichever side controlled the most strategically important military bases would win quickly and easily. I just don't see it happening.

I could see some kind of guerilla action, however. I could see assassinations, shootings and bombings, kind of like what happened in Northern Ireland in the 90s. Maybe cyber attacks as well.

[–] EvacuateSoul@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

That type of diffuse, guerilla warfare is how modern civil wars generally go.

The first several episodes of It Could Happen Here are revealing on this.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The first several episodes of It Could Happen Here are revealing on this.

The podcast?

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 3 points 13 hours ago

The 30 years or so before the Civil War kicked off was a time of outbreaks of street fighting, insurgencies, guerrilla actions, and general instability. The uniformed, shooting war didn't just materlialize out of nothing.

And as for the military, they can kill huge numbers of people, but that doesn't mean they can control an unwilling civilian population. Hell, they couldn't even control a few miliion starving-ass Afghans.

Over three hundred million Americans, 200 million of whom hate your guts? Endless insurgency.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

These assholes are always looking for violence.

The notion of a second U.S. civil war has been mentioned a few times in recent history, by those on both sides of the aisle

fucking christ

[–] Tiger666@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 hours ago

Didn't they do that last month as well and probably the month before and so on and so forth.

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago

So I guess that means he won't mind if he gets shot at the? Since he's now a soldier in a war, after all...

[–] santa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Anything to keep my guns in merica.

No war. If anything you all started it and never want it to end.

Imagine peace.

[–] velindora@lemmy.cafe 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] santa@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

Hence why it went up in smoke.

[–] Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 2 points 13 hours ago

Careful what you wish for, Klan boy.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

What's the difference between a civil war and a revolution to overthrow the rich?

A civil war profit the elite and rich while a revolution get rid of them

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 1 points 12 hours ago

I think we already have an cold war, considering the activities of ICE and how the Trump Regime is doing everything possible to destroy institutions. Sooner or later, things will turn hot.

It is with that belief, that I have already chosen to join the Blue States Military, in whatever capacity they think is useful. Odds are that I would just be a generic infantryman, as that would free up the smart and capable people for the stuff that needs skilled labor.

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