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[–] sunoc@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Good luck explaining this to l'Académie Française !

[–] mechanismatic@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Les Québécois sont entrés dans la conversation.

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[–] Beetschnapps@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

My first reaction… “not in fucking French…”

[–] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 8 points 21 hours ago (3 children)
[–] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 6 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I remember when that word meant something.

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[–] JesusChristLover420@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Singular "you" is grammatically incorrect. "You" is plural, "thee" and "thou" are singular.

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[–] Deme@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

"Can't have your cake and eat it too"

vs.

"Can't eat your cake and have it too"

Only one of these makes sense, but the other one is what's been used for a long time now. If I have a cake, then I can definitely eat it, but if I eat it, then I can no longer have it.

Edit: I don't mean to disagree with the simple fact that languages evolve over time. But having a majority dictate the meanings of words isn't something I like. The example of "antisemitism" (a bunch of people are using the word to describe valid criticism of the state of israel) raised in an other comment here is also very relevant.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

If I have a cake, then I can definitely eat it, but if I eat it, then I can no longer have it.

If you change "have" to "keep" it is clearer in both instances. The second interpretation is clearer because it puts the consumption verb first, which implies this action precedes the subsequent verb. But the underlying statement holds true in either instance.

The example of “antisemitism” (a bunch of people are using the word to describe valid criticism of the state of israel) raised in an other comment here is also very relevant.

The joke of "antisemitism" is that Semitic People include Arabs and modern day Ethiopians/Somalians, two groups who are very explicitly and unapologetically persecuted by the Israeli state government. They do not include Eastern European expats who came to the Levant by way of Philadelphia.

Modern Western media describes an antisemite as a kind of anti-white racist critical of other western Jewish people in elite social circles. But the actual historical antisemitism - the one Henry Ford railed against in The International Jew and spammed across post-WW1 Europe after getting his brain cooked by Protocols of the Elders of Zion - is rooted in Christian Nationalism and anti-Immigration conspiracy theories that fit far more neatly with post-9/11 anti-Muslim racism and Cold War hostility towards the Third World.

The manipulation of language in this instance is a very deliberate effort to judo-flip the very idea of bigotry. You turn social energy aimed at pursuing an equitable and egalitarian society into an excuse to segregate the population and persecute poor immigrants and minorities.

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[–] MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Calling a Markov Chain Generator "Artificial Intelligence" is STILL WRONG.

[–] mechanismatic@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is where marketing creates special kinds of linguistic nightmares. Effectively, marketing is bullshit that becomes standard usage because it's so pervasive and people unfamiliar with the field don't know any better.

Hence LLMs are called AI. Two wheeled electric fire hazards are called hoverboards. 3G, 4G, 4G LTE, 5G, cell services usually aren't up to the standards they claim.

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago (9 children)

What if it isn't everyone who uses a word "wrong"? What if it's say 25% of people who use it incorrectly? Should you encourage them to use it correctly?

If there are two different ways of using the word and they could be mistaken for each-other that's bad. Once the use of a word has flipped and means something very different from the original (idiot, gay, etc.) then there's no reason to try to return to the original usage. If the usage is still in dispute and the majority of people use the word in the original meaning, I think it's good to discourage people from using the word incorrectly so that people are still able to understand each-other.

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[–] qualia@lemmy.world 7 points 15 hours ago

Descriptive language >> prescriptive language

[–] eta@feddit.org 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I would of made this post myself but I like literally don't care enough.

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[–] presoak@lazysoci.al 6 points 17 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

3rd world. Anyone that uses the old definiton is being intentionally obtuse. And annoying.

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[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How many is everyone? Are we talking majority rules? Would you like to pit dialects against each other?

[–] EvilCartyen@feddit.dk 5 points 1 day ago

It makes little sense to think of language outside of communities, so if a speech community uses a word in a certain way then it's correct in that context.

Of course, most states find it useful to establish an official variant. It is usually based on whatever the ruling class speaks, and is claimed to be 'correct', but there are no objective linguistic criteria which make it possible to say that Parisian French is more correct than e.g. Haitian French.

[–] LSNLDN@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 day ago (6 children)

No because I’m not a proud antisemite despite some people’s use of the word

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[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 hours ago

If it's only morons that use it "wrong", then it does indeed become right, but still gains the added subtext of "by the way I'm also a moron"

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

That is literally unbelievable.

[–] TheRealKuni@piefed.social 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I have such a kneejerk reaction to say “lectern” when people say “podium” that when they really do mean “podium” I have to correct myself. 😅

[–] mechanismatic@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Seems like a variant of hypercorrection.

[–] Lexam@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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[–] daannii@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Irrigardless

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Not in programming languages.

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