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[–] RalfWausE@blackneon.net 119 points 15 hours ago (11 children)

First: It's funny, because it is happening to Russians

Second: It's fucking scary, because it can happen everywhere. Fuck cars that rely on digital services.

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[–] rezad@lemmy.world 89 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

first they disabled Russian porsches and I didn't care because I am not a russian owner of a porsche.

then they came for Ukrainian tractors and I didn't care because I am not an Ukrainian owner of a tractor.

then step by step everything was digitally locked and I owned nothing and I was not really happy.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 21 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Just got a dishwasher and it doesn't even have an app. How can that be?

[–] rezad@lemmy.world 10 points 15 hours ago

are you from the past?

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 9 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Just got a toilet and it doesn’t even have an app. How can that be?

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 7 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Just got a car and it is driven by bear. How can this be?

[–] titanicx@lemmy.zip 7 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

You may be Russian, or Alaskan.

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[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 4 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

and I owned nothing

Companies love that, until everybody is completely in debt and they learn you can't seize property from people that don't own anything.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

By then they will already own all the property.

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 4 points 11 hours ago

Yes. They're busy buying everything already. They just need a financial crisis to get the rest for pennies on the dollar. After that it's time for neo-feudalism.

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[–] einkorn@feddit.org 36 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

[...] and what owners can do next.

Sell their Porsche and buy a car that can't be locked remotely?

[–] Jrockwar@feddit.uk 28 points 17 hours ago (5 children)

In 2025? Is that even a thing?

[–] einkorn@feddit.org 11 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

There might be some old Ladas around.

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[–] RipLemmDotEE@lemmy.today 9 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

You can disable the modem on new Toyotas and they run fine. The dealership will bitch and moan but they can be disabled.

[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

You can also steal new toyotas in a matter of minutes because they absolutely fucked up the can bus security.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 5 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

One way to tell: disable the cellular modem in your car and see if it still operates.

[–] otacon239@lemmy.world 7 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

This assumes there’s a user accessible option to disable it.

[–] XeroxCool@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago

I assumed it's not a option, so I took the suggestion to mean "physically disable" the device. Modern cars have a number of integrated computers and they rarely serve individual purposes, but there's a good chance there's an external antenna near/in a window. Granted, I don't have any vehicles with cell service, so I could be wrong. I do own a drill though

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 5 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Just wrap your car in tinfoil. Bonus is that it stops the government from reading you mind while inside.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 5 points 12 hours ago

Shill for big foil..thanks for the advice MR REYNOLDS.

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[–] crazycraw@crazypeople.online 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I took the question initially in jest, then sat back and thought about it. fuck.

[–] tyrant@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

To be fair though... I came out to my old car without digital nonsense yesterday and it didn't start either.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago

Sorry you had to find out your car is homophobic like that.

[–] shininghero@pawb.social 3 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

There's the upcoming Slate trucks, but those are scheduled for Q4 2026. And... also probably going to be US exclusive for a bit. Oof.

[–] Blade9732@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

The Slate truck is simple for YOU. It doesn't have lots of bells and whistles, but is still and electric vehicle that runs on computers. I haven't heard if it has a remote connection yet, but I bet it does. Also, Jeff Bezos is an investor and I am pretty sure it is not some new altruistic streak for Amazon to launch a consumer product that they can't monetize forever.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 12 hours ago

Slate will have no OTA capabilities. How they will monatize forever is by selling parts to users and educating them how to service themselves.

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[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 5 points 16 hours ago (1 children)
[–] einkorn@feddit.org 3 points 16 hours ago

Recycling companies?

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[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 24 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

I doubt most owners of recent-model luxury-brand cars in Russia are average joes for which this is their only transport. I therefore find my sympathy to be somewhat limited.

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 19 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Vehicle Tracking System (VTS) — a security module designed to prevent theft but now shutting down cars unexpectedly.

Also, what a strangely written article.

[–] XeroxCool@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Owners welcomed theft deterrent like that. OnStar is probably the main original US service, found in GM cars. I think Subaru picked them up at some point, but basically all new cars have the option to have manufacturer tracking and app-based vehicle connections for remote start, tracking, service alerts, diagnostic uploads, etc

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[–] garretble@lemmy.world 13 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I feel like I got my car at the perfect time:

It has Android Auto and CarPlay, and it's a manual so there's no way for it to turn on or off remotely.

Now I just have to make sure it survives until I die.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 6 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

It's a voluntary anti-theft measure I believe. Prevents it from being started without the owner's consent. Which immobilizers are also supposed to do, but we all know how well those work.

If I owned a Porsche in Russia, I would also get something like that tbh. Luckily I don't live in Russia, nor do I have a Porsche anymore and mine was too old for this kinda shit anyway

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 12 points 12 hours ago

Maybe Russia started jamming satellite signals and did this to themselves.

[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 7 points 11 hours ago

Good thing this is a completely optional "feature" that I'd never pay for

[–] sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works 6 points 16 hours ago

"smart" cars

[–] Magister@lemmy.world 6 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Well, it's because Russia is jamming GPS signal, it affects planes, cars, everything relying on GPS.

[–] RipLemmDotEE@lemmy.today 5 points 13 hours ago

That's a huge leap to assume GPS blocking was also blanketing other 2 way satellite communication frequencies.

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 5 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

None of these things need GPS to function. Even planes. A compass, a map and a clock go a long way.

[–] TimeNaan@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago

For planes maybe it's not strictly necessary but makes things way safer

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 4 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (6 children)

Why not do cars need internet access in order to start?

I understand having auxiliary services the network connected but surely the failure mode should just be an error on the screen but otherwise the car should still function. It's not like operating without internet access is dangerous or anything.

Also, why don't we just do that, cut Russias internet access, it seems like it would cause utter chaos.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 2 points 12 hours ago

As for “cut russias internet”, I imagine they have a lot of services hosted on their own infrastructure within Russia.

Of course probably a lot of people use western services like social media and e-commerce. Which would piss off a lot of Russian people. So you could have western governments require sanctions on services to reject Russian traffic.

One of the downsides though is there are probably a lot of people who disagree with the regime and want to get info in and out. You push them closer to isolation like North Korea. So called “winning of hearts and minds” might be better served by keeping things open.

But what do I know.

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