Ah but have you tried burning a few trillion dollars in front of the painting? That might make a difference!
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I had a poster in ‘86 that I wanted to come alive.
And not even a good painting but an inconsistent one, whose eyes follow you around the room, and occasionally tries to harm you.
That kind of painting seems more likely to come alive
New fear unlocked!
... What the hell, man?!
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Bro have you never seen a Scooby Doo episode? This can't be a new concept for you...
Ok. Put an LLM into a Scooby Doo episode. Then get back to me...
...new SCP?
Agents have debated that the new phenomenon may or may not constitute a new designation. While some have reported the painting following them, the same agents will then later report nothing seems to occur. The agents who report a higher frequency of the painting following them also report a higher frequency of unexplained injury. The injuries can be attributed to cases of self harm, leading scientists to believe these SCP agents were predisposed to mental illness that was not caught during new agent screening.
I tried to submit an SCP once but theres a "review process" and it boils down to only getting in by knowing somebody who is in.
And that has between seleven and 14+e^πi^ fingers
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As long as we can't even define sapience in biological life, where it resides and how it works, it's pointless to try and apply those terms to AI. We don't know how natural intelligence works, so using what little we know about it to define something completely different is counterintuitive.
Pointless and maybe a little reckless.
We don't know what causes gravity, or how it works, either. But you can measure it, define it, and even create a law with a very precise approximation of what would happen when gravity is involved.
I don't think LLMs will create intelligence, but I don't think we need to solve everything about human intelligence before having machine intelligence.
Though in the case of consciousness - the fact of there being something it's like to be - not only don't we know what causes it or how it works, but we have no way of measuring it either. There's zero evidence for it in the entire universe outside of our own subjective experience of it.
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Painting?
"LLMs are a blurry JPEG of the web" - unknown (I've heard it as an unattributed quote)
The example I gave my wife was "expecting General AI from the current LLM models, is like teaching a dog to roll over and expecting that, with a year of intense training, the dog will graduate from law school"
Remember when passing the Turing Test was like a big deal? And then it happened. And now we have things like this:
Stanford researchers reported that ChatGPT passes the test; they found that ChatGPT-4 "passes a rigorous Turing test, diverging from average human behavior chiefly to be more cooperative"
The best way to differentiate computers to people is we haven't taught AI to be an asshole all the time. Maybe it's a good thing they aren't like us.
Alternative way to phrase it, we don't train humans to be ego-satiating brown nosers, we train them to be (often poor) judges of character. AI would be just as nice to David Duke as it is to you. Also, "they" is anthropomorphizing LLM AI much more than it deserves, it's not even a single identity, let alone a set of multiple identities. It is a bundle of hallucinations, loosely tied together by suggestions and patterns taken from stolen data
Sometimes. I feel like LLM technology and it's relationship with humans is a symptom of how poorly we treat each other.
The best way to differentiate computers to people is we haven't taught AI to be an asshole all the time
Elon is trying really with Grok, tho.
I can define "LLM", "a painting", and "alive". Those definitions don't require assumptions or gut feelings. We could easily come up with a set of questions and an answer key that will tell you if a particular thing is an LLM or a painting and whether or not it's alive.
I'm not aware of any such definition of conscious, nor am I aware of any universal tests of consciousness. Without that definition, it's like Ebert claiming that, "Video games can never be art".
Absolutely everything requires assumptions, even our most objective and "laws of the universe" type observations rely on sets of axioms or first principles that must simply be accepted as true-though-unprovable if we are going to get anyplace at all even in math and the hard sciences let alone philosophy or social sciences.
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I don't expect it. I'm going to talk to the AI and nothing else until my psychosis hallucinates it.
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People used to talk about the idea of uploading your consciousness to a computer to achieve immortality. But nowadays I don't think anyone would trust it. You could tell me my consciousness was uploaded and show me a version of me that was indistinguishable from myself in every way, but I still wouldn't believe it experiences or feels anything as I do, even though it claims to do so. Especially if it's based on an LLM, since they are superficial imitations by design.
Also even if it does experience and feel and has awareness and all that jazz, why do I want that? The I that is me is still going to face The Reaper, which is the only real reason to want immortality.
Well, that's why we need clones with mind transfer, and to be unconscious during the process. When you wake up you won't know whether you're the original or the copy so why worry
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You could tell me my consciousness was uploaded and show me a version of me that was indistinguishable from myself in every way
I just don't think this is a problem in the current stage of technological development. Modern AI is a cute little magic act, but humans (collectively) are very good at piercing the veil and then spreading around the discrepancies they've discovered.
You might be fooled for a little while, but eventually your curious monkey brain would start poking around the edges and exposing the flaws. At this point, it would not be a question of whether you can continue to be fooled, but whether you strategically ignore the flaws to preserve the illusion or tear the machine apart in disgust.
I still wouldn’t believe it experiences or feels anything as I do, even though it claims to do so
People have submitted to less. They've worshipped statues and paintings and trees and even big rocks, attributing consciousness to all of them.
But Animism is a real escoteric faith. You believe it despite the evidence in front of you, not because of it.
I'm putting my money down on a future where large groups of people believe AIs are more than just human, they're magical angels and demons.
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The Eliza effect
It's achieveable if enough alcohol is added to the subject looking at the said painting. And with some exotic chemistry they may even start to taste or hear the colors.
Or boredom and starvation
Good showering!
The first life did not possess a sentient consciousness. Yet here you are reading this now. No one even tried to direct that. Quite the opposite, everything has been trying to kill you from the very start.
Nah trust me we just need a better, more realistic looking ink. $500 billion to ink development oughta do it.
Fair and flawless comparison. I've got nothing to add.
It reminds me of the reaction of the public to 1896 documentary The Arrival of a Train at La Ciotat Station. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27Arriv%C3%A9e_d%27un_train_en_gare_de_La_Ciotat
They have invented a thing that needs someone to want something for it to do it. We have yet to see an artificial EGO. An AEGO.
Clair Obscur: Expedition 33
Clair Obscur: Expedition to meet the Dessandre Family
I think you'd have less dumb ass average Joes cumming over AI if they could understand that regardless as to whether or not the AI wave crashes and burns, the CEOs who've pushed for it won't feel the effects of the crash.
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