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For Context: I'm Chinese American, and I do not feel "ashamed" for my heritage, neither do I feel "ashamed" for being a US Citizen.

The CCP is not my fault. I do not feel any shame of saying I'm from China.

Similarly, the trump admin is not my fault, I voted Harris. I do not feel any shame for being American.

So what is the thought process of people feeling shame/guilt?

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[–] nimble@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 16 hours ago

I think it's a natural response to the whole "God Bless the USA" song which features the lyrics "Im proud to be an American where at least i know I'm free..." this whole concept of being proud to be American is indoctrinated into us at a very young age. Being "ashamed" is the opposite of this. Personally, I'm not proud to be American. At most I'm indifferent. Really though, I'm embarrassed or ashamed. Its hard to be even indifferent when i see so much shit my country and other Americans do.

You're right, it's not directly my fault, but i think that's just copium people tell themselves. Pat ourselves on our back and say "oh well at least i tried. I did the bare minimum to fight off facism. Now i can sleep soundly at night"

Both being indifferent and ashamed are different steps in this process

[–] allo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 15 hours ago

I think it's those who are tricked into thinking their votes are really determining government things who would directly feel at fault for america. Lot's of us know we are nothing more than powerless blobs whose only hope is for WW3 to just happen already so America can be forcibly changed.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 1 points 57 seconds ago

I dont identify with my country. Im just a resource so they can collect taxes. I think their decisions are stupid and childish but its like watching babies trying to build a house.

Best you can do is to focus on your own life.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 1 points 14 hours ago

They’re pretty tightly wound tbh

[–] orioler25@lemmy.world 0 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

American liberals would sooner say that the nation is impure than that nationalism is pathological. Many of them literally identify with the state as part of or representative of themselves. Guilt and shame are American rationalisation staples, "I feel bad, but I'm not going to stop."

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 0 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

What a helpful and fair comment that is absolutely not dripping with smug self righteousness. So refreshing!

[–] orioler25@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

What's "righteous" about this?

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

You pretend to be any better than the millions of random strangers you don't know or understand but criticize anyway.

[–] orioler25@lemmy.world 0 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Where do I say that? I understand American liberalism intimately, btw. People can actually know things and also think you're wrong.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)
[–] orioler25@lemmy.world 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Jesus, I see that word so misused on here but someone using it when I ask where I said something two comments above is pretty hilarious.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

Lol I know how this goes. If you had your way I'd still be quoting you and attempting in vain to argue an obvious point 3 hours from now. We can just skip all that.

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[–] angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com -4 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

My personal answer is that people, particularly left-of-center folk from other Western countries, want us to feel like it's our fault. The way they talk about us.

I don't truly believe it, but that doesn't mean I don't internalize it.

[–] 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 11 hours ago

Hmm.. So these posts are now coming up on lemmy. Seems like lemmy is getting on the radar for some mainstream narative control.

Adding that "chinese" bit is a nice touch.

Let me steal all your shit and then give it to my children and then disappear. I'm sure you won't mind, right? and you'll let them have it, cause it's not their fault.

K thanks, Bye!

[–] mavu@discuss.tchncs.de -5 points 7 hours ago

Because it is their fault.

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