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[–] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 109 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The AI stood for Actual Intelligence

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago

Except for, you know, admitting to fraud in public.

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It was just his name. Names Alan, Al for short

[–] XTL@sopuli.xyz 2 points 7 hours ago

I think Weird Al Yankovic posted a picture some time back saying all his songs have been Al generated or such. Couldn't quickly find a copy now.

[–] errer@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (2 children)

A couple years ago I worked for a robotics startup that I learned got their start by 100% faking a demo for early customers. They had some magic box that an item would lower into and then the device would “scan” the item and spit out a bunch of data about it. It was entirely fake, the data was predetermined. That landed them a few early series investments that allowed them to do some “real” work. The founders were proud of this sham enabling them to start a company. Whole thing made me sick.

[–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Reminds me a bit of Theranos. “Pay no attention to the man (or woman) behind the curtain”…

[–] will@piefed.zip 7 points 22 hours ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dropout is a good mini series on it, I wasn't overly familiar with the story

[–] XTL@sopuli.xyz 2 points 7 hours ago

That's pretty much how all concept demos work at start. At some point they might actually do the thing, but need a lot of careful setup and pushing along. Later on, they start to work for some cases, then more cases and hopefully before they go in the field there's certainty and fault handling that they more or less work.

How honest the marketing is about this process and their market research varies. But investors generally know how the sausage is made, too.

[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 59 points 1 day ago (2 children)

A decade ago my company was selling some "ML classification" service for service request calls, which in fact was 200 people in India being paid low wages even for India to do that 10 hours a day.

They were replaced by a simple neural network and I see they advertise now advanced AI agents, which I'm pretty sure are again 200 people in India

[–] brutalist@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago

Nah it's AI. Actually Indian. Amazon got popped for this last year.

[–] ozymandias@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 23 hours ago

“Amazon Mechanical Turk” works off of this

[–] ArchAengelus@lemmy.world 39 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

The Practical AI podcast interviewed the Fireflies CEO very recently (that’s who this article is about)

He was super transparent about being a cheap transcriptionist in the beginning, because he was trying to prove market demand in 2017, long before ChatGPT turned the world over. Basically doing it for his friends.

As someone in the tech and startup fields, I can say one of the best ways to make a great product is to do the thing you want to automate and learn how it works. This is an excellent example of that approach.

The co-founders held their tech startup together for 3-4 years, doing the best they could with keyword matching and voice transcription from the olden days, before it exploded in 2021(?) up to about 10m in revenue. Then they got early access to gpt 3.5 in 2022 because one of their investors was also an investor in OpenAI.

They were almost ahead of their time, and they were well positioned to take advantage of the huge power that GPT models brought to their business.

Excellent example of being in the right place at the right time, with a great vision and good network.

[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago

Very interesting context. The article, and especially its headline, make it sound a little different.

[–] Endmaker@ani.social 33 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

This concierge approach is nothing new; it existed even before LLMs are a thing.

One of my courses in undergrad computer science is Human-Computer Interaction, in which we learn about user experience (UX) concepts.

One of the things we learnt is to validate our ideas quickly and cheaply before putting a lot of time, effort and money into building the thing.

To do so, what we can do is build prototypes. The early versions may be be low-fidelity (lofi) and are scrappy. The later, high-fidelity (hifi) ones would mimic the functionality of the actual products, and may even appear to work to end users when in reality it could be just be manual effort behind the scenes.

The example given during lecture is the development of a ticketing system. To test the idea out, one could simply get a dude to sit in the "machine" and give out slips of paper.

Anyway, I am explaining all these because this seems like a surprise to those without the same educational background. Long story short, what this startup did is completely normal in the realm of software.

We may have better tools like Figma to simulate browser / mobile frontend experiences, but nothing is stopping us from going back to the basics and doing it this way.

[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago

I get it, you enjoyed your HCI course. I did too.

What you need to understand is you can do this, but you can't mislead investors into thinking your Mechanical Turk isn't a man in a box. That is fraud.

I can't stress enough: this is literally why Elizabeth Holmes is in jail right now.

[–] Mk23simp@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I don't think that's anywhere close to what was happening here, though.

There already are transcription services (which are now being branded as AI but are using tech that has existed for 15 years at least). So, surely this startup's claim is that they're going to make a more advanced transcription service using new AI algorithms. And as a "proof of concept" they secretly use a human to perform better transcriptions than any existing algorithm does. So in reality it proves jack shit.

Their interface is just a rehash of existing services, the only thing new they could bring to the table is an actually better algorithm, which they don't have, so they just faked it. Meaning they have nothing of value at all.

[–] Gladaed@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not just normal, but correct. Try out a workflow before enshrining it. Nothing is perfect from the beginning.

[–] papalonian@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Ahh, no. If this guy's company was in the prototype stage and they were doing this with potential, knowing clients then I'd agree with y'all. But this is someone selling a lie.

It'd be like if I said I was selling a multiplayer game, and when it came out, all the other "players" were NPCs with your friend's username. Don't worry, I'll figure out the actual multiplayer later! This is normal and correct!

[–] elvith@feddit.org 6 points 1 day ago

…all the other "players" were NPCs with your friend's username. Don't worry, I'll figure out the actual multiplayer later! This is normal and correct!

Have you heard about the term .io games? Because this is indeed something that happens regularly…

[–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 1 day ago

This starting to reassemble the dot com bubbie.

[–] Nanook@lemmy.zip 18 points 1 day ago

Hahaha this is brilliant.

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 15 points 1 day ago

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain

[–] dumbass@piefed.social 15 points 1 day ago

We're taking the jobs back AI!......

[–] rozodru@pie.andmc.ca 10 points 1 day ago

honestly...Yeah man I'd pay for this.

[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 9 points 5 hours ago

Gotta love how corporations are just resource burning machines.

  1. Have all employees commuting to the office.
  2. Organize meetings.
  3. Add transcription agents, because nobody's paying attention.

The result is the same or worse than just sending an email to people in their homes, but burns through 800x more resources.

[–] Bonifratz@piefed.zip 7 points 23 hours ago

I think he was just trying to recreate Searle's Chinese Room.

[–] amio@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

That way maybe some of it will be accurate.

Fake it 'til you make it!

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 4 points 23 hours ago

Dude's winning at life. Providing the best possible service.

[–] Gladaed@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago

I do find it incredibly expensive. Why prefer a ai offering if it ain't cheap?

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

And it didn't happen by accident either. That was his business idea right from the start. Even the eventual reveal.

(I don't know, but I hope so)