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[–] Denjin@feddit.uk 193 points 15 hours ago (5 children)

It's actually quite straight forward. Inside the record player there's a small group of highly trained goblins. They watch the needle move side to side and they perfectly recreate the music using their tiny instruments.

Simple.

[–] I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world 29 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Ah, very similar to the camera (iconograph) filled with fast painting imps.

https://wiki.lspace.org/Iconograph

[–] Denjin@feddit.uk 8 points 13 hours ago

That may or may not have been my inspiration

[–] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 7 points 14 hours ago

I heard their team-building theme song was Madonna's Into the Groove.

[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 7 points 8 hours ago

I got the knockoff version that had an understaffed team of mostly complacent fairies using thrift shop keyboards. I tried playing Hocus Pocus by Focus and they burned down my house and flew off with my neighbor's cat.

[–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 7 points 13 hours ago

GNU Sir Terry

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago

It's so simple

[–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 91 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (4 children)

It's not that hard to grasp I don't think. If you understand graphs of soundwaves, it's literally just the wave scratched into the plastic. The movement of the needle dictates the movement of the speaker membrane which results in the same movement in your eardrum. Which is what you percieve as sound.

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[–] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 45 points 14 hours ago (6 children)

What I don't get, personally, is how this one scratched-in groove wave can contain a bassline, a melody and a singing voice and they all can be differentiated coming out of the speaker.

How speakers work in general is just black magic to me, actually.

[–] xthexder@l.sw0.com 77 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

So there's this thing called a Fourier series...

Basically any wave can be created by adding together individual frequencies, and with some fancy math it's possible to go the other way with a Fourier transform and get how loud every frequency is (like is displayed in a spectrogram).

I think the real black magic is in how our ears and brains can decode the mess of information coming in and identify meaningful patterns.

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 13 hours ago

A nice related bookmark I have saved. There's also interactive pert with a slider where you can draw a wave and then add more and more sinusoids to get closer and closer. And of course the square wave, with infinite sinusoids (theoretically).
https://www.jezzamon.com/fourier/

[–] nocturne@slrpnk.net 24 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

How speakers work in general is just black magic to me, actually.

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[–] Natanael@infosec.pub 24 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

That's because it doesn't, your brain does

Speakers do the simplest thing possible and literally just vibrate. A recording being played literally just recreates a recorded vibration. It's a tiny choreography that your ears are incredibly sensitive for.

All the fancy stuff happens in our brains, after our ears has split up the sound around us into different ranges of frequencies (you can think of the hairs in the inner ears as tuning forks). We learn to recognize which frequencies goes together, and then we learn how the frequencies from multiple sources can overlap, and we learn what it all means

The real crazy part is how something as simple as sound can carry so much information and how reliably our brains can tell it all apart and make sense of it

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[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 6 points 6 hours ago

An easier way to understand it, without knowing the math, is to know how it's made. You play audio into a very similar device and it's needle scratches the grooves. When you then have a needle pick up the grooves it's moving the exact same way the needle was forced to move by the original.

It's similar to how a speaker and a microphone are basically the same device. If you take a speaker and plug it into a microphone input, it still works (though they're tuned differently so it's not as good). A microphone has a crystal vibrate, which creates an electric signal. If you play that electric signal into a crystal it vibrates and creates the same sound.

There's no math or anything being done for this to work. It's purely mechanical. It's just a copy of what the needle did when sound was played into it, so another needle running through it recreates the same sound. You can use math to represent it, but none is being done by the device (other than just the laws of physics).

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[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 30 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Even simpler to visualize: Its the movement of the membrane of the speaker/microphone turned into a physical line.

[–] Eq0@literature.cafe 13 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

That explains just a tiny part. There are so many different sounds at the same volume and frequency

[–] gnu@lemmy.zip 20 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

All the sounds get mixed together as they approach you (as they compress the same air), by the time it gets to your ear it can be represented by one complex wave.

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 13 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Like when you flatten all the layers in a graphics project.

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[–] TowardsTheFuture@lemmy.zip 8 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, waves add. Which, well they add from the center which looks weird and bumpy. What’s more amazing is how good our ears are at picking out differences (it’s like 100x more sensitive to differences than other senses) so it can tell what all those individual waves would be so we can still hear the guitar vs drums vs bass vs vocals when it’s all one wave combined.

[–] Eq0@literature.cafe 4 points 14 hours ago
[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 8 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

If you can build up intuition around Fourier decomposition I think it gets much easier to understand.

Multiple things going on at the same frequency are indistinguishable (up to a phase). Lots of stuff going on at different frequency can be separated. Light also has frequency (color) and volume (intensity)---it may be more intuitive to conceptualize in this way.

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[–] Oisteink@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago

It’s not that hard to grasp if you read up a bit. You are probably born early 1900’s and have never heard of stereophonic recordings. But fear not!! What you are seeing is left + right channel (mono). The left - right channel is encoded vertically. So your left channel is mono + vertical divided by 2, and the right is (mono - vertical) divided by 2.

[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 48 points 10 hours ago (4 children)

Simple. Sounds are vibrations. The grooves make the needle vibrate. Those vibrations are amplified.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 17 points 8 hours ago (5 children)

How does it seem like multiple sounds come through at the same time though? Say drums and vocals and a guitar, all at once. How does one groove equate to all of that?

[–] psycotica0@lemmy.ca 28 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

Highly basic answer, let's say the strength of the vocals wave over time is:

5, 4, 3, 2, 3, 4, 5, 4

And drums is:

4, 0, 2, 0, 4, 0, 2, 3

Then you add them together for each time slice and get:

9, 4, 5, 2, 7, 4, 7, 7

And you put that on a record, or out to a speaker, and our ears are able to break that up into the two parts when it hears it. This is the same as when two things are in the room making sound, there may be two sources, but my ear only has one hole, and that hole has one eardrum behind it. The different sounds just add their powers together and hit my ear as one mixed wave.

Alternative answer: magic

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[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 12 points 7 hours ago

That's the neat part, the brain does that using some black magic. You just have to add all the sounds individual waves together and the brain deciphers it.

[–] SirHery@lemmy.world 10 points 4 hours ago

Well if you put multiple waveforms above eachother the form on single waveform.(They all occupie the same space,in this case air, so they can't be "separate"). This waveform is then recorded and remastered and whatnot. But basically the waves you can see on the vinyl are the "schape" they will have in the air.

[–] Jerkface@lemmy.world 9 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

You can add the waveforms together mathematically. Like if you go into a graphing calculator and plot a sine at 220 hz that's an A note. Then add two more at 261(ish) and 329, baby you got yourself an A minor cookin'. That's also what the groove would look like.

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[–] realitista@lemmus.org 13 points 10 hours ago

Yeah it literally just the waveform in physical form. I couldn't think of a better way to visualize it.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Certainly makes a lot more sense than a CD

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[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 30 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

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The video explains how a single needle can play stereo sound, but in doing so explains how the basic idea works before going into the incredible design to do two channels.

[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 7 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Link is borked because of the ! at the beginning. It’s trying to pull a picture that doesn’t exist

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 14 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

As a general FYI, you can make a clickable YouTube thumbail like this

[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/3DdUvoc7tJ4/mqdefault.jpg)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DdUvoc7tJ4)

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Just replace the videoID in the thumbnail and URL.

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[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 6 hours ago (4 children)

Anything sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic.

I'm convinced this is magic.

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 6 points 4 hours ago

It's only weird once electrons get involved.

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[–] Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world 19 points 10 hours ago (6 children)

How about this one to blow your mind further:

This urn from 1552.

Because of how it was made, they could play back the sounds around the potter who fabricated it.

I thought they had done the same with some Roman parchment, but all I can find are links to stories on that one.

[–] stardom8048@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Interesting, but I think this is largely discredited from the brief research I did?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeoacoustics#Discredited_theories

Cool idea nonetheless.

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[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 17 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (4 children)

Records are very easy to understand. Even without a microscope, you can see periodic patterns on test vinyls with beeps. And sound being periodic motion is also obvious from string and percussive instruments.

You can even see tracks starting and ending on pressed CDs under the right lighting with your own eyes. I wonder, is the encoding of silence (approx. 2 seconds) really that different or does the density of grooves or pit/land pattern intentionally differ to help the player seek there faster? I know that uncompressed audio naturally results in a repeated pattern when silence is encoded but given the 8-to-14 modulation and other error correctiion techniques, I find it hard to believe it would result in significantly different density unless they specifically added a special mode just for encoding silence that makes the track brighter-colored for easier coarse seeking.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 10 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Theres a graphic somewhere I'll try to find that shows a bird call as a sound wave then a picture of record topography of the same call that makes it fairly obvious.

Gramophones are also fairly illustrative given that the needle directly acts on a diaphragm that is directly connected to a bell shaped horn.

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[–] fubarx@lemmy.world 16 points 14 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 15 points 5 hours ago

Sound is vibration. A record is a vibration frozen in place.

[–] Gaja0@lemmy.zip 14 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

It's really simple.

Sound is air vibrations at different strengths (volume) and frequencies (pitch). Taller waves are loud. Thinner waves are higher pitched. The math looks like this:

Volume * sin( Pitch * time)

Generally, low pitch sounds are louder and easier to see in a sound wave. A kick is really easy to spot. The rest of the weird janky movement of the sound wave is like a bunch of these equations added up to create the sound... generally.

The trick to understanding sound is that it's a difference over time. The change in pressure is registered by your brain. A record player is literally just the physical transcription of this math and the speaker is just oscillating back and forth to reproduce the sound.

Okay maybe it's not super simple, but I hope this helps.

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago

tl;dr: magic

[–] nialv7@lemmy.world 14 points 2 hours ago

Well sound is just wiggly air. You put the air wiggle onto the disk so later you can use the disk wiggle to make air wiggle.

[–] SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works 14 points 10 hours ago

Consider this: every record I play has a faint recording of the room, every time it has been played, since no turntable or cartridge is perfectly isolated, and, being diamond rubbing against vinyl, will leave some trace of the room sound behind.

[–] RaoulDuke85@piefed.social 9 points 15 hours ago (7 children)

Digital music is just 1s and 0s.

[–] Jackusflackus@lemmy.world 6 points 14 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 4 points 14 hours ago

It's vibes man.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 3 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (5 children)

Uhm

  1. ridges cause movement of needle
  2. gets mechanic/electrically amplified
  3. causes movement of membrane in speaker
  4. the membrane moves air = sound
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