Every election is the most important in your lifetime as long as fascists are on the ballot.
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If it's that important maybe the democrats should start appealing their target group instead of trying to get Republicans to vote for them (which didn't really work anyways)
It's possible that there is a way to win them over, but it's not by getting up on stage with Liz Cheney. The idea of "the elites are working against us" does resonate with certain Republican voters, even if their anger is being misdirected in support of Donald Trump. It's not something the Hillary Clinton wing of the party could possibly harness. People like Bernie or AOC could, though.
Here's Bernie demonstrating it: https://youtu.be/RP8Oxe6OxJc
I've seen that video before. It's a good one that, to me from far away, shows how the more progressive side of the democratic party should very much resonate with poorer, currently republican voters if they just leaned into that messaging more.
The message at it's core is so simple: The country is rich, you're poor, fuck that shit.
Agreed. I vote for them out of practicality, not because I actually like them.
Remember when the Democrats propped up Trump thinking Clinton would curbstomp him because who the hell would vote for him? Good times. (Europe is doing the same, pushing the far right to pretend the vanilla right is the only viable opposition and actually pretty center, and then act surprised when everything implodes)
I do! Real It Can't Happen Here moment. Kinda worse in Europe because It's Already Happened There.
It already happened there 90 years ago. AND they get to see our results within this decade. They think afd is different from Trump somehow? Not significantly.
It’s a trick to keep preserving an awful status quo in perpetuity for your whole life.
Surely the fascists will pack up and go home if the Democrats can just win this one time…
If your system has allowed itself to devolve into "vote for my slightly less oppressive status quo or else you get abject oppression" then you kinda have to begin admitting the entire system is folly and needs to be dismantled.
You're not wrong. Easier said than done, though. Looks like we'll be doing it the hard way, societal collapse.
Good, this society deserves to collapse. It is fundamentally oppressive and exploitative.
Also don't disagree. It's just tragic how much suffering has to happen.
Being against the rabid Zionism of the Dem mainstream is based. The second point, not so much.
warn people that losing an election to fascists will lead to fascism
people ignore the warning
election is lost to fascists
fascist administration immediately starts doing fascist things
blame the LIBS for making a big deal out of it
???
I think their point is that they pull the same tactic every year and it's clear it's shit
These past few elections have been fucking important. As someone who lived through the whole "boring" era of Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama, these last 10 years have been aberrant in every way politically and it's dumb to pretend they haven't been.
I fully agree, it's too bad that the point was lost on so many people who just heard "YOU HAVE TO VOTE" and didn't make any effort to absorb reality and multiple angles of actual news stories and not just Facebook memes and shorts played on Twitter.
The last several elections have had the highest turnouts in US history, including the largest youth turnout, but on exit polling the people were completely tuned-out and said they didn't actually think there was meaningful differences between candidates and just based their decisions on prices of groceries and who was in charge when the prices got high... by their own reckoning. A lot of "Well maybe Trump will shake things up" and seemed to have ZERO memory of his first term or that he was even president before.
Bush II was not "boring". His neocon illiberal war on terror, torture, rendition, patriot act and illegal war started the descent into what we are experiencing now.
To be fair, everyone has to keep saying "This is the most important election of X" because everyone fucking has the attention spans and memories of earthworms or bivalves.
Half of Lemmy right here would tune and use any excuse to not be involved, and this is a politically active community, imagine what it's like out there for the vast majority of voters who work 6 days a week and get all their media and news from fucking facebook for two hours on a Sunday night while kids and dogs are fighting around them.
To be fair, the current election is always the most important one of the time. Does no good to ruminate about the past, and nobody knows what the future holds.
The nice thing is there are starting to be better comedians on the set.
How about read what I wrote
What type of smooth-brained clown wouldn’t think that the current election isn’t the most important one?
This meme isn’t as clever and edgy as whoever made it thinks it is and the comments I’m reading show that a lot of people here are totally fine to repeat the mistakes of the past and keep the status quo going.
Unironically typing "repeat the mistakes of the past" with ignoring the history of how we got here displays an astoundingly myopic view of recent events. Both parties serve the same billionaires, which is why the Republicans do what they want and Dems are content with "decorum". In fact, our two-parties have displayed a remarkable overlap on the Venn Diagram:
• Republicans and Democrats both vote to increase ICE funding every year.
• Republicans and Democrats in Congress both practice insider trading.
• Republicans and Democrats presidents both bail out corporations that are "too big to fail" (i.e., Bush Jr., Obama).
• Republicans and Democrats both vote to give corporations subsides (i.e., corporate welfare).
• Republicans and Democrats both receive campaign finances from billionaires (i.e., legal bribery).
• Republican and Democrat presidents both order drone strike, resulting in mass civilian casualties.
• Republican and Democrat presidents have both bombed countries without Congressional approval (e.g., Trump, Biden).
• Republicans and Democrats both kept Guantanamo Bay open for decades. (A precursor for Trump's treatment of immigrants.)
• Republicans and Democrats both crack down on whistle blowers.
• Republicans and Democrats both maintain a surveillance state on its citizens.
• Republican and Democrat administrations both assassinated democratically elected leaders overseas.
• Republicans and Democrats both fund Israel's genocide of the Palestinian people.
Trump was not created ex nihilo. Presidential power has been growing for decades. Congress has been blatantly corrupt for decades. We have broken (and supported breaking) international laws for decades. Trump is a symptom of a larger problem: our government functions to serve profit rather than people. The problem will continue long after he is gone, unless the American people demand more.
Soooo…. The next election isn’t that important?
Unironically, no. The last election was the most important in American history, and this next one will do little to undo the damage. Even if Democrats win every seat in the midterms, all it could do is make Trump tear off that last veil of normalcy and make good on his promise to kill "traitors." That likely won't happen because too many safe Democrats will fold to maintain normalcy(corporate interests).
Only local races can affect policy in the next election, and all races need to build a left wing political movement that opposes corporate interests to make any progress. The only enemy that's reachable through elections are the corrupt establishment, not the fascists. They don't need to win elections, only have enough foot soldiers to crack faces.
The presidential election won't even matter as long as Trump's still breathing because his death is the only way he leaves office. I've been saying this all year: liberal democracy is over. We will see years of political turmoil as opportunists pretend we can rebuild on the old system, but the foundation is now too rotten to remain stable. It will never be the same.
“Power is now the final form of representation: it only represents itself.” Jean Baudrillard, The Agony of Power.
It’s important in so far as your preference, the party of the carrot or the party of the stick.