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Every election is the most important in your lifetime as long as fascists are on the ballot.
If it's that important maybe the democrats should start appealing their target group instead of trying to get Republicans to vote for them (which didn't really work anyways)
It's possible that there is a way to win them over, but it's not by getting up on stage with Liz Cheney. The idea of "the elites are working against us" does resonate with certain Republican voters, even if their anger is being misdirected in support of Donald Trump. It's not something the Hillary Clinton wing of the party could possibly harness. People like Bernie or AOC could, though.
Here's Bernie demonstrating it: https://youtu.be/RP8Oxe6OxJc
I've seen that video before. It's a good one that, to me from far away, shows how the more progressive side of the democratic party should very much resonate with poorer, currently republican voters if they just leaned into that messaging more.
The message at it's core is so simple: The country is rich, you're poor, fuck that shit.
Unfortunately, speaking with conservatives is an exercise in polite futility.
I could get an American conservative to agree with Marx, and lay out an entire world map with functioning historical socialist states to their approval, and inside of a day they would be back to 'Socialism doesn't work and it's bad'
US conservatives are not interested in policies or principles. It is pure tribalism to them
Agreed. I vote for them out of practicality, not because I actually like them.
Remember when the Democrats propped up Trump thinking Clinton would curbstomp him because who the hell would vote for him? Good times. (Europe is doing the same, pushing the far right to pretend the vanilla right is the only viable opposition and actually pretty center, and then act surprised when everything implodes)
I do! Real It Can't Happen Here moment. Kinda worse in Europe because It's Already Happened There.
It already happened there 90 years ago. AND they get to see our results within this decade. They think afd is different from Trump somehow? Not significantly.
It’s a trick to keep preserving an awful status quo in perpetuity for your whole life.
Surely the fascists will pack up and go home if the Democrats can just win this one time…
I would have greatly preferred the awful status quo to what we have now.
The "status quo" is partly that way because Democrats don't provide instant gratification. The changes tend to be significant, but slow. In the next ten years, if the plans don't get demolished, I'm going to be able to take passenger rail to Chicago.
The problem is progress is slow, but destruction is fast. Every few years people get frustrated with how slowly the Dems are building the house of cards and they bring Republicans in to knock it down.
And then people look back over the past decade and wonder why the house of cards is in the same state.
Sometimes you have to push through a bramble patch to get out of the dark woods and into the garden.
And if that happens, it will have been worth it. But it remains to be seen.
If your system has allowed itself to devolve into "vote for my slightly less oppressive status quo or else you get abject oppression" then you kinda have to begin admitting the entire system is folly and needs to be dismantled.
You're not wrong. Easier said than done, though. Looks like we'll be doing it the hard way, societal collapse.
Good, this society deserves to collapse. It is fundamentally oppressive and exploitative.
Also don't disagree. It's just tragic how much suffering has to happen.
Slightly?
Yes. Capitalist Imperialism is only marginally better than Fascism. It enables the rise of the other, afterall.
newsom bulldozes homeless camps and arrests them while having a donor base of tech bro cryptofascists and real estate developers, Biden ships blockbuster bombs to Gaza, Obama drones multitudes and continues Bush's "nation building" kleptocracies, Bill Clinton sets the future economic agenda for all of the above when he guts welfare spending while sacrificing local industry jobs for financialization via NAFTA
This is fine.
Glad they lost in 2024