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[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 204 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

This often actually exists still, but those companies dont do big marketing and their products will cost 3x that of a "normal" one.

[–] spicytuna62@lemmy.world 42 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (15 children)

As I've heard it:

  • Bosch makes the best dishwashers
  • Speed Queen makes the best laundry machines
  • Asko ~~and Miele~~ make the best stoves and fridges

And yes, they are all very expensive. But I want to get me a Speed Queen so bad.

[–] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 21 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (3 children)

~~Miele was sold to a private equity firm and they've been reputation-fracking, so their recent stuff is supposed to be pretty mediocre but priced as if it's top-end.~~

[–] spicytuna62@lemmy.world 22 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Damn. I hate to hear that. Guess I'll scratch them off my list.

[–] cogman@lemmy.world 15 points 20 hours ago (6 children)

Cafe (spinoff from GE) does a pretty good job with stoves. AFAIK they are still pretty well respected.

The brands to stay away from at all costs are LG and Samsung.

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[–] EndOfLine@lemmy.world 15 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Do you have a source for that? Their wiki page says that they are still family owned.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miele

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[–] froggycar360@slrpnk.net 23 points 21 hours ago (5 children)
[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 82 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Anything made for commercial kitchens.

[–] fubbernuckin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 18 hours ago

In general anything made for businesses. They might be fine with us having stuff that doesn't work, but businesses still need things that work to produce things that don't.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 47 points 21 hours ago (6 children)

Speed queen is one for washers and dryers

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[–] 7U5K3N@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Speed queen washing machine

If it'll run in a Laundromat for 30 years.. it'll run in your home.

[–] ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 19 hours ago

My cousin had a coin operated speed queen washer when I briefly lived with her. The laundromat was getting rid of it not due to functioning, but because it would cost too much to retrofit it to use credit or bills, when it was already quite old.

You could use coins to make it work, but the panel was missing and you’d just stick your hand in and flip the switch. Always felt like you’d electrocute yourself.

Sucker ran great and she was doing 2 loads a day minimum (clearly no understanding of birth control, but she got her tubes tied after the 6th kid came out, so..)

She got it for far less than the price of a new bare-bones machine, so that could be a great option for anyone who may want one!

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[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 21 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah I was gonna say you can do this today by looking for the company that only makes whatever it is you're trying to buy and costs double what you expect to spend on it based on the competition.

If you want something that lasts, you generally need to pay for it.

(Though if you get the opportunity, ask someone who repairs the thing you're trying to buy what the best brand is, they're the people that know)

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[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 80 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (3 children)

There is a nonprofit org called Open Source Ecology that is aiming to create what they call the "Global Village Construction Set", a collection of basic industrial machines required for modern living, designed in a way where everything can be built DIY by a single community (Including modular generators). I imagine that they have a plans for home appliances, I think as of now they're still working on construction equipment.

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[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 67 points 14 hours ago (16 children)

There’s a huge demand from consumers for that. Just not from investors.

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[–] cRazi_man@europe.pub 61 points 21 hours ago

"No enshitification" is the new top tier marketing strategy.

[–] fbn@slrpnk.net 55 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

these exist, see speed queen

the cost is going to be higher, though, because "smart" widgets can offset their initial costs through the projeted sale of the data harvested over the life of the widget

most people being ignorant to this and to the inevitable issues with corporate-built "smart" widget infrastructure, the cheapest option will generally be the most popular

my inner doctorow says that the twiddlers did this on purpose to undermine competition, especially considering the attempts to keep those widgets from being liberated

[–] crazycraw@crazypeople.online 17 points 20 hours ago

ding ding ding

there can be no (valid) competition against capitalistic cronyism.

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[–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol 38 points 20 hours ago (4 children)

This kind of anti-enshittification marketing is starting to gain traction I think.

A big part of Valve's launch was saying stuff like "of course you can run whatever you want on it, it's yours!"

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[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 34 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Until private equity gets their grubby paws on the company.

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 15 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Make that shit a self-funded slow growing cooperative.

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[–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 27 points 12 hours ago

It's the Linux philosophy in appliances. I'm down.

[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 26 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I want to produce boxed recipes under a product line named "Jamaican"

  • Jamaican a pie
  • Jamaican mac and cheese
  • Jamaican chicken with mushroom gravy

I also wanna make a perfume line named "Eureka," following the same general idea but with awfully generic scent names

  • Eureka flowers
  • Eureka citrus
  • Eureka chicken with mushroom gravy
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[–] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 25 points 15 hours ago (15 children)

I just want everything with a heating element to use a heat pump instead. Electric heating elements are so horribly inefficient and wasteful in comparison.

I have a ventless heat pump combo washer/dryer. It takes up half the space that two machines would, plugs into a regular 110V outlet, gets HOT (way hotter than I expected a heat pump has any right to achieve), drains all its drying water into the drain, vents none of my indoor air outside, doesn't require changing laundry from one machine to the other. Practically and mechanically it seems brilliant and I can't imagine why I would ever buy a traditional machine ever again. Except...

It's chock full of horrible apps and shit that I'll never use. It's way too "smart", and those "smarts" are not there for my benefit. After a month or two it finally gave up trying to pester me to connect it to a network and install the app, which I'll never, ever do. It's never going to see an update or new firmware if I can help it, but I'm afraid that if/when it ever breaks, I'll have no choice. I know it's going to do things like eventually refuse to work until the computer has been "updated" to be "compatible" with new parts. And it's not even just that it's going to be expensive. It's that I don't trust it, and I don't trust it to remain functional in the future, even if there are parts, that they won't let me install the parts, or will require me to agree to play by their "rules" before I can.

Right to repair needs to be a thing, and people need to be able to break the ridiculous amount of both legal and practical control these manufacturers have over their devices after they've left the factory. We cannot and should not trust the manufacturers to support it. We need to allow independent repair.

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[–] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 24 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (2 children)

A total absense of tech would be bad for a washing machine. With a really simple conductivity sensor (basically just two electrodes on the sides of a plastic pipe) and an opacity sensor (an IR LED and an LDR on opposite sides of a clear pipe), you can measure how much stuff is dissolved in water and how much insoluable stuff is suspended. That then means that you can keep circulating the soapy water until it stops getting dirtier, then keep rinsing it out until it stops getting cleaner, which then means you can have the cycle times adjust themselves to how soiled the load is, instead of just making them as long as the worst case scenario might require and wasting energy, water, and time on an average load.

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[–] wieson@feddit.org 24 points 17 hours ago (6 children)

There's a supermarket in Canada, that has a brand like that. It's bright yellow and black and only has the product name in bold writing on it.

[–] MirthfulAlembic@lemmy.world 19 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Loblaw's and their subsidiaries. The brand is literally called No Name (Sans Nom). It always gave me a chuckle when I lived in Canada.

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 13 points 16 hours ago

Obligatory fuck the Loblaws, but the No Name thing is a neat concept and certainly very recognizable.

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 23 points 14 hours ago

And easier to repair, too.

A GE washing or drying machine from 30 years ago has easily removable panels, about 4 to 6 screws each and large easily identifiable parts, but one from a couple of years ago requires the top to be propped up or secured and the panels removed in a specific order such that you can them remove the internal plastic panels through which wires need to be dismounted around the drum with like 8 or more screws each of varying sizes and when it comes time to put it back together I hope you've got more than three arms because fuck you thats why.

[–] lemmyng@piefed.ca 23 points 20 hours ago

There's tradeoffs - simplicity, repairability, efficiency.

Take washers, for example. I was looking at Speed Queen washers to replace mine. On paper they are great, more durable. But it turns out that while they have physical knobs and switches, newer models still hide a circuit board inside, so the gap between commercial and consumer models is shrinking (and not in the direction we want.)

The Speed Queen washers also have nearly half the capacity of off the shelf consumer washers, and use twice the amount of water and electricity. I did the math, and at the current utility and washer prices I'd break even replacing the washer every 5 years.

Furthermore, the local appliance repair shop that I trust told me it could take them weeks to get replacement parts for Speed Queen. For a laundromat that's not a huge deal when it's one washer out of twenty, for a single machine home it's a problem.

Yes, I do wish that consumer appliances were more reliable. But barring that, the next best thing is easily and quickly repairable, and on that matter there's brands that are qualitatively and quantitatively better in that regard than others.

[–] shredslen@lemmy.world 22 points 16 hours ago (5 children)

Maybe not only just work for 15+ years. But allow parts to be purchased and easy manuals to read for at home repairs.

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[–] Gnugit@aussie.zone 19 points 21 hours ago

Where do I sign up?

[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 16 points 21 hours ago (10 children)

Great idea for a quick cash grab but then you will lose growth. You will run into insta pot problems where the product was too good and lacked room for innovation. But someone should do it anyways.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 41 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Imagine making a billion dollars off putting a device in everyone's home and thinking that's not enough

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[–] brianpeiris@lemmy.ca 16 points 16 hours ago

Just Uncomplicated Socialist Tech

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

My refrigerator is still going strong at 22 years

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[–] ICCrawler@lemmy.world 14 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

IANAL but somehow I get the feeling that entering those industries as a new guy would be a real pain in the ass at the patent office.

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 14 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Just commenting that you said IANAL and "pain in the ass" and I'm still laughing

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[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 14 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not against it having an open API to allow it to be controlled by some computer system, though don't even bring up the word "cloud".

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[–] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 15 hours ago

I thought about this too. People are sick of this shit.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Gonna have to rebrand all that to Just A Dream, unless you have a plan to secure the capital to start that all up, and also somehow not be beholden to short term profit crazed investors who will change that business model.

Hooray! Hypercapitalist Realism!

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 12 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

No technology huh?

So a bucket, washboard, mangle, and piece of string for laundry.

An ice box or cellar for refrigeration

And an open fire for cooking.

[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 20 hours ago

bucket, string, washboard

No. Just a pond you have to jump into. We said no technology.

ice box or cellar

Exfuckingcuse me?

an open fire

Nothing penned in. Has to be wild and burning down the village.

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[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 12 points 21 hours ago

I'll invest in this guy today.

[–] matlag@sh.itjust.works 12 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I thought multiple times about resurrecting this: https://www.lincrevable.com/en/

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