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[–] nagaram@startrek.website 117 points 3 days ago (5 children)

I want to believe we could have a woman president so long as she ran on something other than being a wet noodle that's trying to be #relatable more than just being a good candidate.

Or better yet, running on something more than

"Are you really gonna let Trump win?"

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 40 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (26 children)

It's funny, in 2015, I thought that that platform would be the only way a woman would be able to win over such a hard hurdle of all the conservative states with the electoral college we have.

The amount of people that looked past Donald Trump's flaws or embraced his hateful rhetoric, and blamed their decision on their dislike for Hillary was huge.

I didn't like her either. She wasn't my favorite candidate by a long shot, but I still can't believe our country is in a better place now than it would have been if she had won.

Also, it's hard to believe that was ten years ago. Gross.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 23 points 3 days ago (4 children)

She wasn't my favorite candidate by a long shot, but I still can't believe our country is in a better place now than it would have been if she had won.

I do, because you have to remember: Trump wasn't a one-off anomaly; he was the manifestation of deep structural issues and multiple converging crises within American society. It was a balloon that was going to inflate and inflate until it eventually popped, and if it didn't pop in 2016 it would have even harder in 2020. Hell, I could think of an even worse scenario: Trump is sidelined in the American fascist movement and a fascist that actually knows what he's doing takes his place.

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[–] Kirp123@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Or if you guys had an actual popular election instead of the whole Electoral College shit. A woman won the popular vote in 2016.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Just barely, though, and against what was at the time the worst qualified opponent in history (beat only by Trump himself in 2020 and 2024). Hillary was an awful candidate in her own right and the fact that she barely eeked out a popular vote win against Trump shows that.

I genuinely don't believe that a good, likeable, popular woman candidate who was free to campaign without the interference of the (mostly men) party's Old Guard would have no problem winning. We've got women in high offices in pretty much every other level of government. Just stop pushing out the worst, rich, pro-establishment candidates to the "progressive party" and demand a vote just because of their sex.

/rant

Hillary won by 3 million votes, but that's not enough for a Democrat to be appointed the presidency by the EC. A Republican can win by 3 million (Trump 47) or lose by 3 million (Trump 45) and be appointed, but a Democrat has to win by 8 million to be appointed (Biden). Maybe not that much, but +3M apparently isn't enough.

It's an absurd system that favours the right and that's why it exists. See also gerrymandering. They cannot win openly and they know it, and they aren't even hiding it.

[–] I_Jedi@lemmy.today 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If a woman performs a progressive Tea Party style takeover of the DNC, I can see her having a good shot at winning the general election.

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[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 59 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Well, so far the women we've run are 1) one of the most hated politicians of all time, and 2) a cop who repeatedly stated her support for genocide.

So... idk if 'women' is the issue here. Maybe we should try running one that doesn't come with decades of baggage / isn't an overtly horrible person?

I mean, sexism is definitely a factor, but one that has thus far only become insurmountable in combination with a mountain other barriers.

[–] bobzer@lemmy.zip 44 points 3 days ago (5 children)

And yet everyone voted for a rich, racist, rapist, pedophile who can barely speak and also supports genocide anyway.

[–] Hegar@fedia.io 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

everyone voted for a

~30% of the adult population voted for said rapist

[–] bobzer@lemmy.zip 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

You need to add the people who couldn't be arsed opposing him.

[–] Hegar@fedia.io 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Or the people who had to work, or couldn't wait for 3h at their neighborhood polling place, or have disengaged from politics for any number of reasons, or were educated here and earnestly didnt know how important this last election was.

Low voter turnout is an inevitable symptom of a corrupt system.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Or maybe whose vote didn't get counted. I think the jury is still out on that right now.

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[–] stephen01king@piefed.zip 6 points 3 days ago

That part is not because of the white rapist, but because of the bad candidate that were forced on them as an alternative.

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[–] rouxdoo@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I think you nailed it here. Give the people a choice to vote for AOC and I think it will happen.

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[–] joekar1990@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Also a majority of Americans are fucking straight up dumb and not engaged in politics or news at all. Last study I saw Americans average a 6th grade reading level. What this looks like in practice though is:

  • Can read: Straightforward, informational text like food labels, bills, and basic news articles. 
  • Can understand: Stories with plots, character changes, and a clear point of view. 
  • Likely needs help with: Texts that use a high degree of academic vocabulary, complex sentence structures, or highly abstract concepts, as found in high school or college-level material.

So until the Dems can also narrow and dumb down their messaging they won't gain ground. It's why when Walz called them weird it worked so well because everyone understands that.

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[–] snooggums@piefed.world 11 points 3 days ago

They both lost to an obese rapist who can't form cohetebt sentences.

[–] missingno@fedia.io 9 points 3 days ago (19 children)

And both of them were so close that changing any one variable - such as having an actually likeable candidate - would've changed the outcome.

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[–] Krono@lemmy.today 48 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Anyone suggesting that the US is too sexist to elect a woman president has to explain the election of Claudia Sheinbaum.

By every metric I can find, Mexico is more misogynistic than the US. You can look at crime statistics on domestic violence, rape, murder; or opinion surveys showing men's negative attitude toward women -- all the stats coming out of Mexico are worse.

Yet somehow, Mexico overwhelmingly elected a woman (a Jewish woman in an 85% Christian population, too).

My hypothesis is that policy matters much more than the gender of a candidate. Kamala had absolutely pathetic policy proposals, supporting the status quo of corporate economic domination and a foreign policy soaked in innocent blood. but maybe I'm biased.

[–] BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Can you imagine a world where Democrats are going to go all in on competing on policy?

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Their donors/handlers would be so angry!

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[–] OmegaMan@lemmings.world 13 points 2 days ago

Mexico doesn't have as bonehead of an election system that favors the more historically sexist party.

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[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Doesn't help that the "women candidate" the DNC spit out are neoliberal status quo protectors, their "female candidates" is at best performative from them.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

Oh, like their men candidates.

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[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 25 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I'd love for AOC to prove het wrong

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[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago (3 children)

No it’s not America isn’t ready for a woman president. It’s not ready to have the DNC keep nominating candidates that lack any appeal or enthusiasm.

Let me preface this rant with I voted for both Hillary and Kamala.

Hillary was a terrible candidate because she is neither conservative or liberal/progressive. The DNC railroaded Bernie because it was Hillary’s “turn”.

And with Kamala instead of have an actual primary and getting the best candidate, they just shoe horned her in at the last possible minute and expected everyone to just be ok with it. Not to mention she falls into the same category as Hillary who is neither conservative or progressive so equally disliked on both sides.

I think the problem ultimately lies within the democrats themselves unwilling to listen to the younger voters who are in dire need of hope and change not the status quo that really isn’t working for them or anybody really. It also doesn’t help that neither party really gives two shits about pissing off the liberal base and it shows.

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[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 21 points 3 days ago

Regression.

I feel like 10+ years ago the USA would have been more ready (maybe still not fully, idk).

[–] HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

She's right.
We would have elected one by now if that was the case OHWAITWEDID https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 26 points 3 days ago (1 children)

And Harris saw a massive surge of popularity when Biden first stepped down. When the only thing most people knew about her was that she was a black woman, everyone loved her. It was only when she opened her mouth that her popularity tanked hard.

[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 22 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

She was pretty popular when Tim ~~Kaine~~ Waltz was calling out Republicans forbeing eeird and heinous. But then they reigned that in and decided to focus on how great the economy actually was and started to bring out the most heinous Republicans from 20 years ago for rhe campaign.

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[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 18 points 3 days ago

I'm so fucking sick of this argument. It's nothing more than centrist cope; a way of willfully misunderstanding the reason for Hillary Clinton's and Kamala Harris' campaign failures.

[–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

She's right.

I thought we were ready for a Black president, and maybe some of the country was. Where I was living at the time, a white man was okay working side by side with a Black man. He'd call him brother, they'd eat at each other's places, their wives would hang out, their kids would play together... I thought racism was mostly a memory. People were even fine with a Black boss. But when it came to a Black president, they just couldn't cope.

If these people can't see past skin colour, they definitely won't see past gender. For these people, the First Gentleman would be the "real" president. They would not respect her and, at most, would say she's just the spokesman for the real president. A lot of people liked Michelle Obama, but not because she's Michelle Obama, but because she's Mrs Barack Obama. They don't care what she thinks or knows, they just expect that she's speaking for him. And, I think, in 8 years, we saw that she was her own person, but a lot of people couldn't see it.

I wonder if she's interested in running. I think Michelle Obama would poll better than Kamala Harris. I have a feeling she's done with politics, though, if she were ever really interested.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

When polled, 12% of men believed they could beat Serena Williams in tennis.

Because, you know. She's a girl. Like, how good could she be?

😐

[–] Aqarius@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

Then again, IIRC, when polled, a sizable percent of men though they could beat up a gorilla, so...

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 days ago

Perhaps it's because the Democrat party keeps trying to force a woman candidate instead of letting it happen naturally. Voters wanted Bernie Sanders, instead the party made Hilary Clinton the nominee. Then they didn't even have a proper primary in 2024. Biden won the primary because he was the incumbent and nobody really tried to run against him. Then he dropped out, it was too late for a primary, and Harris was just appointed as his replacement.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 days ago

The country is not ready for a president with intelligence, integrity, morals, empathy or even a bit of humanity.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 days ago

Sad indeed. The rest of the world does mostly okay by their elected woman leaders. So...no metric system and no women leaders. Got it. I just hope to all that is holy that the country is not ready for a pedophiliac leader.

[–] leadore@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Disclaimer: My comment which follows does not apply to fans and supporters of a candidate. It applies to a difference in how male and female candidates are referred to in the media.

When our society reaches the stage where TV pundits, political blog writers, etc. stop referring to women candidates by just their first name (almost every time) in the same context that they continue referring to men candidates using their last name, or title + last name, then maybe I'll believe the US is ready to elect a woman president.

(edit: I should add to that list, also when even the opposing side will use her last name same as they do with male candidates that they are against, meaning that they may hate her but still have at least that much respect for her as a candidate)

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[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

Other parts of the world already had women as presidents and prime ministers for decades. Some countries have had queens as the primary ruler for centuries.

Then there is America.

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