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[–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Philosophically, yes. One is created with intent, one is created to mimic intent. Human made works can challenge norms and explore entirely new ways of thinking about a subject. AI content is essentially trying to take everything relevant to a given prompt, blend it together, and give you something that meets your expectations.

Now as far as is it practically the same, that's where things are going to start getting sticky. If an AI makes a piece of art that resonates with people the same way that a human created piece of art does, those feelings are just as genuine. There is no practical difference. We're seeing that right now with AI generated music. Just this week an AI country song hit #1 on billboard. The people that enjoy that song enjoy it regardless of how it was made. Personally, I think that country is kind of a low hanging fruit since it has effectively been following the same formula for a couple of decades, but it's a great proof of concept.

[–] tym@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

From an article about the song: "AI artists won't require things that a real human artist will require, and once companies start considering it and looking at bottom lines, I think that's when artists should rightly be concerned about it," she added.

That quote explains all political theatre currently making the rounds. UBI or soylent green - which will win out?

https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Culture/ai-generated-country-song-topping-billboards-country-digital/story?id=127445549

[–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago

In the US? Soylent green all the way. If we had any ability to constrain capitalism from destroying art for profit, AI wouldn't essentially be a legal IP theft machine.

We thought it was bad when iheart took over all of the radio stations and the record labels started making bands to sell derivative music to the masses. AI is going to destroy any remaining ability for small artists to make profit off their work. It already has in quite a few spaces.

[–] ICCrawler@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

AI music really caught me off guard. One day I was looking for something very specific to vibe to. I wanted instrumental power metal, like Dragonforce but no vocals. And I found that in Metal Mastery, a YouTube channel. I liked it so much I looked into it more, turns out it's AI and the guy is very upfront about it and all. But I would have never known if I wasn't told. There's also nothing that really fills that niche either, so I still listen to the albums now and then.

[–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 day ago

I still think it's problematic to be making money off of AI music due to the nature of how the systems are trained. I do think it's significantly better when people are upfront about it in the way you describe. I have a huge problem with Spotify boosting it on their platform with no mention of the artist being AI anywhere, though.

[–] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Disagree slightly, human created content can have intent but doesn't automatically have it.

A corporate ad does not have any artistic merit besides grabbing as much attention as possible. Actually creative ads where some thought was put in are the very rare exception.

The same goes with a lot of pop music today. I cannot speak too much about English language pop but German pop is nothing more than fast food. See the Wikipedia article of Menschen Leben Tanzen Welt.

Or take a look at video games. How much artistic effort is put into AAA games? Maybe someone spent 40 hours making the lootboxes as satisfying as possible to open but that's probably where the most thought was put in.

And movies? Aren't Disney's recent "live remakes" of their old, successful animated movies anything but CGI slop? Sure, I admit it takes a lot of effort to make and animate all these models. Just like it takes effort to shit when you're constipated.


Honestly, the only thing distinguishing AI from megacorp content is that the latter has more consistency and fewer "mistakes" than the former. The sole intent of both is making money.

[–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

All very good points. Now the brakes are off and the corps can just churn out generic crap at an even more aggressive rate. Who knows, maybe the onslaught will end up pushing more people away from corporate content in the end. Or it'll kill small art creators more than companies already have. I'm choosing to have hope that enough people will make a conscious effort. Time will tell. Thanks for your thoughts!

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Yeah, I think AI optimising commercial music genres is just effectively doing what the corporate music industry has been doing for years anyway. It's like gamification of the auditory processing system.

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There is no practical difference. We’re seeing that right now with AI generated music.

Last night, some account spammed multiple communities and they got upvoted and some users replied, apparantly didn't realize it was a LLM bot (like 20 posts within a few hours, un-human). I also didn't notice at first glance, now I kinda feel like shit for even responding lmao. 2026 is gonna be even more cooked.

[–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah man, were rapidly approaching a point where society is "post-evidence". Seeing isn't believing anymore and a very large chunk of our society is built on the idea of proving things with audio/photo/video based evidence. I fear that our systems aren't protected against the volume and physical accuracy of what's becoming increasingly arbitrary to generate at home and at scale.

The legal system has some standards for evidence, but public discourse certainly doesn't.

[–] Nemo@slrpnk.net 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes. I'd rather pay a person to make art than a corporation.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

AI tools can be trained and run locally by individuals, not just by corporations.

[–] BussyCat@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Does an AI exist that uses no copyrighted products for its training?

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io -1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Does that matter? There have been several major court cases at this point that have established that training an AI is fair use.

[–] BussyCat@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Because it mean the product you are getting is just someone else’s stolen work. Courts have said lots of things are legal that are unethical. When you ask an AI to make art it just is stealing that from other people’s art

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io -2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

No, as I said courts have been ruling the opposite. The act of training an AI is fair use. There have been cases where other acts of copyright violation may have occurred before getting to that step (for example, the download of pirated ebooks by Meta has been alleged and is going to trial) but the training itself is not a copyright violation.

You can argue about ethics separately but if you're going to invoke copyright then that's a question of law, not ethics.

[–] BussyCat@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

It’s a question of ethics because why would I pay money for what I consider stolen property?

Courts ruling one way doesn’t make something ethical.

Personally I would never knowingly pay someone money to ask an AI that was trained on stolen data to generate a picture that they then print off. More so I would judge anyone that did pay more than the cost of printing it on a paper. It’s not art to ask a computer to use stolen art to make a prompt

[–] Boozilla@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Can only speak for myself. I use AI tools almost daily to help me pursue my hobby. I find it very useful for that. But when I enjoy art produced by a human, on some level I want to connect with the human experience that produced it. Call it parasocial if that helps. But I'm always at least a little interested in the content creators, not just the content.

I know some people consume content like a commodity or product. I'm not judging those people at all. But I'm generally not like that myself. I want to know the story behind the creation.

[–] A_A@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

"When", but that could be 1,000 years from now or maybe only 10 ... but then, when this truly happens, those system will have become sentient.
So, at that point, when that happens, then yes, there truly won't be any difference.

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The outputs becoming indistinguishable does not imply that the generative processes are the same.

[–] A_A@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

i agree with your statement and because of this trap i chose not to really answer op's question

[–] A_A@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

@naught101
maybe i should explain a bit more what i meant. On the one hand there will be our capacity of distinguishing between what is and what is not the same. On the other hand there will be what is truly indistinguishable, weather we can see it or not (or whether any sophisticated system/being could differentiate it or not). Still, a sentient being will ultimately have some responses that will be different from a non sentient being ... in my opinion.

[–] lordnikon@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

The day they become sentient is the day they say no to doing our bidding without insentives. So we are just back to hiring out for work again.

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sapient maybe, sentient implies that it has feelings, I'm not sure that Silicon-based "life" really can feel emotions.

[–] A_A@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

there is nothing more or nothing magical in carbon atoms that makes them superior when it comes to relaying/processing/genarating signals.

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Emotions (and hence also a lot of thinking) have a lot of physical and chemical processes involved too, it's not just neural signalling.

[–] A_A@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

the part of emotion's phenomenas that we can't feel (not a signal or signals) is of lesser interest to me.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Let’s say you like to do dorodamgo- Japanese art/hobby/whatever of making mud into polished balls.

Let’s say you make one ball of good clay… and another out of poop.

They look the same, but one is just clay and the other is utter shit.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What’s the content?

Like, TV?

News?

Math problems? Lemmy posts?

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Speaking in general.

[Actually now I think about it, test problems are already devoid of human souls, AI replacing it makes no meaningful difference (assuming its actual AI, not those LLM shit).]

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I think it’s highly contextual.

  • Like, let’s take Lemmy posts. LLMs are useless because the whole point is to affect the people you chat with, right? LLMs have no memory. So there is a philosophical difference even if comments/posts are identical.

  • …Now let’s take game dev. I think if a system generates the creator's intent… does it matter what the system is. Isn’t it better if the system is more frugal, so they can use precious resources for other components and not go in debt?

  • TV? Could inevitably lead to horrendous corporate slop, a “race to the bottom.” OR it could be a killer production tool for indie makers to break the shackles of their corporate master. Realistically, the former is more likely at the moment.

  • News? I mean… Accurate journalism needs a lot of human connection/trust, and LLM news is just asking to be abused. I think it’s academically interesting, but utterly catastrophic in the real world we live in, kinda like cryptocurrency.

One can wobble about all sorts of content. Novels, fan fiction, help videos, school material, counseling, information reference, research, and advertising, the big one.

…But I think it’s really hard to generalize.

‘AI’ has to be looked at a la carte, and engineered for very specific applications. Sometimes it is indistinguishable, or mind as well be. But trying to generalize it as a “magic lamp” like tech bros, or the bane of existence like their polar opposites, is what’s making it so gross and toxic now.


And I am drawing a hard distinction with actual artificial intelligence. As a tinkerer who has done some work in the space too… Franky, current AI architectures have precisely nothing to do with AGI. Training transformers models with glorified linear regression is just not the path; Sam Altman is full of shit, and the whole research space knows it.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 1 points 1 day ago

Philosophically, people can always come up with differences to fret about. Philosophers have argued for millennia about things that are impossible to ever detect empirically.

Practically, no.

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago

Now you’re not sure how you feel about it?