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Shame on you, Homebrew, for effectively killing FOSS apps from casks.

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[–] Korne127@lemmy.world 67 points 2 days ago

removing macOS Gatekeeper bypass behaviours

dafuq? That's basically the entire point

So yeah, there will be a fork soon that's just compatible with the casks. Luckily that is very easily to do / manage

[–] KoalaUnknown@lemmy.world 41 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Their explanation as to why:

--no-quarantine is used to forcibly bypass Gatekeeper, which is a built-in macOS security mechanism. This is used to run unsigned/unnotarized applications.

macOS Tahoe is the final release to support Intel systems, and last year Apple updated macOS runtime protection to make it harder to override Gatekeeper. Macs with Apple silicon also don't "permit native arm64 code to execute unless a valid signature is attached". Finally, we are ending support for all casks that fail Gatekeeper checks on September 1st, 2026.

With the above in mind, it's time to deprecate the --no-quarantine flag from brew. It intentionally bypasses macOS security mechanisms, which we already actively discourage. Deprecating now will give a decent lead time for users using it to come up with another solution or adjust their workflows.

[–] arcterus@piefed.blahaj.zone 28 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Deprecating now will give a decent lead time for users using it to come up with another solution or adjust their workflows.

The adjusted solution/workflow: use something other than homebrew

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

How will these other solutions bypass Apples quarantine?

[–] arcterus@piefed.blahaj.zone 20 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

By doing what homebrew currently does when you pass the --no-quarantine flag, which is call xattr.

Note that I'd probably support removing --no-quarantine if Apple's notarization service was free.

[–] monogram@feddit.nl 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Notarisation, free (as in beer) limits your ability to run your code that (Corporate) doesn’t like, making it inherently non free (as in freedom).

[–] arcterus@piefed.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Yes, but you can still compile the code yourself. It's only problematic for binary distribution. This is basically a question of balancing security vs. freedom I suppose.

[–] monogram@feddit.nl 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Talking about balance when google is using the same tricks to crush f-droid is not reading the room.

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[–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I mean, theres macports and what else? Is macports even kickin still? No other package managers other than homebrew

[–] arcterus@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 days ago

Pretty sure it's still around. Nix is an option as well.

[–] plz1@lemmy.world 33 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Heh, there goes Librewolf's only sane updating mechanism. IIRC, the devs of that are vehemently against paying Apple the money to sign the code, and they also fail to provide their own updater. It was one of the main drivers behind my switch to Waterfox.

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

bad librewolf, shame on them for not paying the tax

[–] plz1@lemmy.world 1 points 26 minutes ago

Snark all you want, a browser that breaks every time it updates because the code isn't signed, not great.

[–] Chaser@lemmy.zip 31 points 2 days ago (3 children)

May be a sign to install Linux 😏 brew sucks anyways

[–] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago (1 children)

True but I desperately need ~~no compatibility~~, ~~closed source~~, ~~AppleCare~~, ~~expensive hardware~~, ~~limited lifespan~~, ~~lock in~~ .... What did you call it Linux?

[–] turbowafflz@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

It's crazy how bad software compatibility on macos is. I used to assume it was about the same or slightly better than linux in that regard, but my attempts to help my friend play games on macos have almost entirely failed despite the fact that I have tons of experience playing games on linux since it's always been my main os

[–] chocrates@piefed.world 22 points 2 days ago (6 children)

I'm stuck with it at work. Plus Linux usually sucks on Mac for a long time while drivers get written

[–] 6nk06@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

MacPorts has always been better.

[–] cv_octavio@piefed.ca 2 points 2 days ago
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[–] ianonavy@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If Brew sucks, why is it the preferred package manager for CLI tools in Bazzite?

[–] Chaser@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't use Bazzite. But if you have any pro arguments for Brew, feel free to share them. Change my mind.

[–] ianonavy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

I don’t really have an opinion, just an observation that switching back to Linux for me did not take me away from Homebrew

[–] MissingInteger@lemmy.zip 24 points 2 days ago

The unsigned (FOSS) Apps aren't removed yet. They will be removed by 2026-09-01. Removing --no-quarantine before that seems counter productive. And quite frankly removing unsigned Apps at all seems like a stupid idea. Homebrew is a third party package mamager, why are they precapitulating to Apple?
Third party taps (or are they fourth party?) will step in. You can run xattr -d com.apple.quarantine in the .rb file.

Relevant links.

[–] brax@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 days ago (2 children)

But I thought Mac was just Linux for people who loved to spend money... Seems on brand to me.

[–] noahimesaka1873@lemmy.funami.tech 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

That's why I buy Macs! /hj (Though I do install and use Arch BTW on my M2 MacBook Air)

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[–] piyuv@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago

https://github.com/Homebrew/brew/issues/20755#issuecomment-3330984446

In the end, the whole point of Gatekeeper is to protect end users as much as reasonable, and continuing to make it easy to bypass isn't a good thing in my view.

Whole point of Gatekeeper is Apple policing users’ devices. The security benefit is just a side effect. If anything, users need to be protected from Apple more than small time hackers.

This is a shame. Big tech brain is affecting developers everywhere.

Controversial opinion: best way to learn fire will burn you is to try and see. I personally learned a lot about computers by infecting my machine with a shitton of malware when I was a kid. Modern parents are very adamant on letting kids run free and learn stuff by themselves, why not apply the same logic to computers?

[–] CocaineShrimp@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 days ago (3 children)
[–] noahimesaka1873@lemmy.funami.tech 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yes and no. Yes, it has to be signed, but no, it doesn't have to be Apple's signing, it can be ad-hoc signed for the device programmatically. What they're doing is that removing that ability to remove quarantine bits and ad-hoc signing ~~on installation~~ and forcing everything to be Apple-signed.

EDIT: Ad-hoc signing is compile-time. Quarantine bit just has to be removed at install-time.

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[–] mumblerfish@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I never understood what a "cask" in the brew lanuage means. I just do installs and if the brew install instructions involves a cask I just do it. How do I figure out which packages this will have an effect on on my system?

[–] SuperUserDO@piefed.ca 9 points 2 days ago

Casks are as a rule GUI applications. So if you want to install Firefox with homebrew would need to install it via a cask.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)
brew list --cask

I think they've started flagging unnotarized apps as (deprecated), so maybe do a brew info on each.

[–] MissingInteger@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You can simply run brew doctor and it will show you all deprecated casks.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Cool beans 👏

[–] henfredemars@lemdro.id 10 points 2 days ago

What a shame. It’s probably my favorite tool on the platform.

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] KoalaUnknown@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Apps have to be signed to be installed.

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

You can still install and run them but you need to manually him through the startup hoops once

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

if you use a Mac git gud.

[–] natecox@programming.dev 8 points 2 days ago

Well, I’m pretty happy that I’ve moved most of my app downloads to a nix config I guess.

Seems like a bigger change than deserves to be buried in the changelog. I wonder what the intent here is.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Homebrew could provide their own casks of FOSS applications, compiled on their infrastructure and signed by their key. It's kinda what F-Droid does on phones.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Code signing should be done though.

You can disagree with Apple's approach that maintains them as the only signing authority, but, at a fundamental level, code signing is the only way to distribute an executable and have the user be able to trust who authored it (and thus what's in it).

[–] myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago

Of the like 30 things I have installed through brew, 1 is not signed. Do I agree with the change, no. But there are other options out there.

[–] cv_octavio@piefed.ca 2 points 2 days ago

Fuck homebrew mise cru for life now.

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