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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 120 points 6 days ago (22 children)

Here are the POS all lined up in a row.

  • Senator Tim Kaine of Virginia
  • Senator Dick Durbin of Illinois
  • Senator Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire
  • Senator John Fetterman of Pennsylvania
  • Senator Maggie Hassan of New Hampshire
  • Senator Angus King of Maine
  • Senator Catherine Cortez Masto of Nevada
  • Senator Jacky Rosen of Nevada

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/democrats-who-voted-to-end-shutdown-b2861979.html

[–] TipRing@lemmy.world 72 points 6 days ago (12 children)

Dick Durbin is the minority whip. There is no chance that the whip votes against the wishes of the senate minority leader. Despite Schumer's no vote, he supported the capitulation.

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[–] leadore@lemmy.world 22 points 6 days ago

Of those eight seats, only two are up in 2026, and those two Senators (Durbin, Shaheen) are not running for reelection. The others aren't up until 2028 or 2030. That's how they do these things. No one up in 2026 would have voted for it.

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I'm on Tim Kaine's mailing list.

Since last November, his entire office/campaign has been heavy on optics throughout the state, all with a heavy lean towards business as usual. Only recently (late October) did he write about "challenging trump's reckless tariff policies", which was little more than a statement of fact than any actual coherent plan to solve anything. Most shockingly, this communique had ZERO mention about DOGE, and the thousands out of work right now in his state, let alone the government shutdown and the hungry poor people out there right now. Or any of the other politically relevant horrors we have going right now. It was easily one of the best written, carefully crafted, barely educational, worthless, tone-deaf, rage-inducing pieces of literature to hit my inbox, and includes a bottomless cornucopia of spam mail.

There's an old saying in politics: "never waste a good crisis." Well, this is a big one, and opportunities to be a hero with accolades and job security for life can be had at minimal effort. I can only conclude that the man's brain is located somewhere in the vicinity of his spine, both of which went missing back in 2024.

While I'm no longer a Virginian, I emplore those of you who are to vote this trash out.

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[–] leadore@lemmy.world 73 points 6 days ago (4 children)

WTF. Senate Dems got rewarded in the elections for showing some spine and holding out for healthcare, then as soon as the elections were over, in spite of voters putting them in an even stronger position with the wide margins of victory, what did they do? they fucking caved like the weak little bitches they are.

All the suffering people have been going through during the shutdown has been for absolutely nothing. They didn't even get a damn one-year extension on subsidies (which BTW are windfalls for insurance companies but until we reform healthcare it's the best we have for now). It was suppoosed to be not just about the ACA subsidies, but also the Medicaid cuts.

Jeffries wants the House to reject the bill and most House Dems seem to be ready to do that. Keep screaming and contact your rep (politely). There are some repubs also against it, so this shit deal can still be prevented by the House, if the Dems stick together and a few repubs also vote No.

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 36 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Controlled opposition! I don't think all Democratic politicians are in on it, but enough where it doesn't matter. I've watched just the right number fold time after time on key issues for decades.

None are up for reelection in 2026. I'm certain that's no coincidence.

[–] leadore@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

They always choose who takes the heat for unpopular votes based on safety. The only two of the 8 Senators that voted for this whose seat is up in in 2026 are two that are retiring after this term (Durbin and Shaheen). So IL and NH people can vote in 2026 primaries for the most progressive candidate.

The rest don't come up until '28 or '30 and they expect you to forget by then. But how about if instead, people in their state use that time to find and recruit good progressive candidates to primary them with? Don't forget their names! Primary them! Your vote counts way more in the primaries because so few turn out for them, so if you skip them, you're letting other people choose your candidates for you and just keep getting more of the same.

Flights were getting cancelled, so the shutdown started to affect rich people.

It doesn't matter if Americans can't afford food.

fighting trump gives them votes, bowing to kiss his ass gives them corporate donations.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago

I think the Senate literally exists to keep democracy in check and prevent the people from voting away the rights of the wealthy.

So the Senate Democrats jump the moment that money is on the line. When it was apparent they would get more fundraising and support with the shutdown and then as soon as they stood to make more from ending the shutdown. Follow the money.

It was never about principle.

[–] SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 51 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Interesting that Dems were putting up a fight until Mandani won in NY. If the shutdown is fueling voters to elect actual progressives, then suddenly Dems have to cave.

[–] oxysis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 6 days ago

Establishment democrats are vile pieces of shit, who get their money from the same sources as the greedy of pedophiles

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 7 points 6 days ago

Another recent change was Trump pushing for the filibuster to be removed. The establishment could just claim it was because they need it to stop him so they should never stop him enough that he would make Republicans do it, but it could also be seen as a freedom they don't want to have should we get a Democratic trifecta in the future. Being able to say "I want to do good things, but shucks the system stopped me" is a valuable tool for elected officials.

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[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 49 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I guess it's good that people paying double for shitty healthcare causes "frustration" but I would hope for a bit stronger reaction than that.

[–] Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca 23 points 6 days ago (13 children)

Chuck Schumer and the rest of the establishment democrats deserve to be tossed in the dumpster like the trash they are, but I don't think any of us want to rot in a gulag for attempting and failing.

[–] harbard@fedia.io 21 points 6 days ago

This is a very honest answer; most want revolution but are not prepared for it. But I do think we need to start putting action to words; what we say will soon be forgotten, but what we do will live on for years.

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[–] youngGoku@lemmy.world 45 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Disgusting fetterman and the lot of traitors. Whatever. Honestly surprised I actually got my hopes up this time for Republican capitulation.

Anyways....

Let's appoint the Arizona senator now and call a vote to release the Epstein files.

[–] comeonitsnotlike@feddit.nu 13 points 6 days ago

That would be really nice. But it's not happening. Ever.

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[–] FE80@lemmy.world 42 points 6 days ago
[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

This is a bit of a tangent, I know but fuck does this irk me...

ballistic

I don't think you know what this word means. You use words like these in every fucking news header now, and not one of them was warranted.

Fuck your clickbait titles, can all of you journalists PLEASE become real journalists again and start covering actual news that you present to us with actual real headlines instead of this made up clickbait slop?

[–] khannie@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Not sure if it's a colloquialism but "going ballistic" where I live means being really angry.

[–] WindyRebel@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That is for sure what it means in America.

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[–] kautau@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

What do you mean I heard someone was SLAMMED for this

[–] theoneandonlyeggboi@lemmings.world 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

While I agree with everything you say, "journalists" know what they're doing and they realize that making bad titles just causes people to speak about their articles more.

I have very little respect for the "profession" at this point.

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[–] Triumph@fedia.io 10 points 6 days ago
[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 6 points 6 days ago

Democrats were "fighting" only to help Trump cut benefits and fire federal workers in the first place. They are on the same team. Anyone naive enough to believe Democrats were trying to help him needs to wake the fuck up.

[–] HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I have a bad feeling this might actually be bait.

Like they know the progressives are going to burn it down now, and do everything they can to block this deal. And what that does is let them blame the Democrats more clearly for the shutdown.

If ending the shutdown actually leads to the Epstein files being released, it might actually work in the Democrats' favor. I can't see them letting the files get released, so this is the only thing that makes sense to me.

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