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Berlin’s immigration authorities are moving to deport four young foreign residents on allegations related to participation in protests against Israel’s war on Gaza, an unprecedented move that raises serious concerns over civil liberties in Germany.

The deportation orders, issued under German migration law, were made amid political pressure and over internal objections from the head of the state of Berlin’s immigration agency.

The internal strife arose because three of those targeted for deportation are citizens of European Union member states who normally enjoy freedom of movement between E.U. countries. None of the four has been convicted of any crimes.

“What we’re seeing here is straight out of the far right’s playbook,” said Alexander Gorski, a lawyer representing two of the protesters. “You can see it in the U.S. and Germany, too: Political dissent is silenced by targeting the migration status of protesters.”

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[–] truthfultemporarily@feddit.org 102 points 2 days ago (7 children)

If you search for it, its only reported by two outlets. There is not a single German newspaper reporting this, including left wing or Berlin regional ones. Searching for the names in the articles returns no results linked to Berlin or Free Palestine at all. The name of the public official also turns up nothing.

Could be misinformation.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 37 points 2 days ago

Already addressed this elsewhere so pasting the same comment; It is possible the American student contacted TheIntercept first. If TheIntercept is the first source then German media will likely pick up the story soon.

I also searched for the lawyer

“What we’re seeing here is straight out of the far right’s playbook,” said Alexander Gorski, a lawyer representing two of the protesters. “You can see it in the U.S. and Germany, too: Political dissent is silenced by targeting the migration status of protesters.”

Alexander Gorski is the same person who overturned Ghassan Abu-Sittah's ban from Germany which does lend a lot of credibility unless TheIntercept is straight up making up quotes from people out of thin air.

The International Centre of Justice for Palestinians (ICJP) announced in a social media post on Tuesday that it, along with lawyer Alexander Gorski and the European Legal Support Centre, had successfully challenged the travel ban imposed on Abu Sitta by Germany.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 14 points 2 days ago

That's fair, but then again the Intercept is a pretty reputable site and the story seems legit.

[–] shaserlark@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 days ago (9 children)

At this point it’s equally likely that the mainstream media just don’t care because of their reason of state. Idk how their reporting is on other Palestine related content but in my country it’s mostly silence, I learn about what’s happening mostly from The Guardian and Al Jazeera because most media outlets simply don’t give a fuck about Palestinian life.

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[–] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] IndianaJones@lemmy.dbzer0.com 76 points 2 days ago

I fucking hate the timeline we're living in

[–] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 46 points 2 days ago

Fucking disgusting.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Fash support fash. Germany has been supporting genocide for a long time.

It's really amazing how liberals will completely accept genocide up until the very second that it affects them.

[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It is heart breaking to see Germany begin to give in to fascism again. What happened to "never again!" ???

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[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago

Look, if we don't tolerate at least a little genocide of somebody else, then we're basically throwing our votes away. /s

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[–] jagermo@feddit.org 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

I have some notes on that. 3 of the 4 are EU citizens, that makes deportations highly complicated. I also can't find another source, ~~and the intercept has a history of pushing some shady things.~~ Something feels off.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (4 children)

They are naming the people being deported, maybe one of our German friends can dig up some German articles with their names?

The four people slated for deportation, Cooper Longbottom, Kasia Wlaszczyk, Shane O’Brien, and Roberta Murray, are citizens of, respectively, the U.S., Poland, and in the latter two cases Ireland.

[–] djsp@feddit.org 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I searched for German articles about this, but found none. However, the three parties expected to form the next government –the SPD, the CDU and its Bavarian sibling, the CSU– are considering to weaponize migration background against “sponsors of terror, antisemites and extremists”, which could be construed to include some peaceful critics of the Israeli government and military and their actions and plans.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Thanks. It is possible the American student contacted TheIntercept first. If TheIntercept is the first source then German media will likely pick up the story soon.

I also searched for the lawyer

“What we’re seeing here is straight out of the far right’s playbook,” said Alexander Gorski, a lawyer representing two of the protesters. “You can see it in the U.S. and Germany, too: Political dissent is silenced by targeting the migration status of protesters.”

Apparently Alexander Gorski is the same person who overturned Ghassan Abu-Sittah's ban from Germany which does lend a lot of credibility unless TheIntercept is straight up making up quotes from people out of thin air.

The International Centre of Justice for Palestinians (ICJP) announced in a social media post on Tuesday that it, along with lawyer Alexander Gorski and the European Legal Support Centre, had successfully challenged the travel ban imposed on Abu Sitta by Germany.

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[–] amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 2 days ago

although this article is republished from the Intercept, here's some info about the author:

Hanno Hauenstein is a Berlin-based independent journalist and author. His work has appeared in publications including The Guardian, The Intercept, and Berliner Zeitung.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What shady stuff have they published in the past? I’ve generally found their coverage good and they often cover stories like this that other mainstream sources won’t.

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[–] truthfultemporarily@feddit.org 7 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Yeah nothing in the taz - Germanys biggest left wing newspaper. Nothing in the Zeit and nothing in Tagespiegel (Berlin Newspaper) either.

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[–] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 days ago

The financial times and the Irish times have since picked it up.

[–] lumony@lemmings.world 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] index@sh.itjust.works 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Just yesterday people were cheering up germany government for rearming for war and everyone arguing against it was being downvoted.

https://lemmy.world/post/27602242

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[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I hope they can escalate to Strasbourg. Can they?

Germany is way out of line here.

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[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Germany likes to pretend they’re super liberal and that they have no fascist citizens. They’ve gone completely to the other side of history where they now pretend like they’re above it all. I’m sick of people pretending like Germany is some sort of promised land

[–] Yareckt@lemmynsfw.com 7 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I am a German citizen and we do not pretend we don't have fascist citizens. Why do you think we do?

[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Because everything we hear in Canada about Germany is lollipop propaganda about how perfect Germany is. You don’t see it from the inside but to the rest of us, the German government spends money to make themselves look like the country everyone should strive to be. You’re part of the machine so it’s no surprise you’re not aware of how others perceive you.

We are literally told that any Nazi or fascist activity is banned and illegal, and not allowed. yet i see plenty of photos of German neo Nazi rallies

[–] Yareckt@lemmynsfw.com 9 points 2 days ago

Oh interesting. Can you tell me what they are Spending the money on? I know of DW who often pushes german Propaganda but I think in the whole picture of the news media their reach is relatively small compared to other news outlets' reach.

But I still don't think we pretend there aren't any Nazis in Germany. You may have missed it or the news hasn't reached you ;) but there was a big wave of protests in 2024 against rightwing extremism here Wikipedia no need to read it all but you can scroll down to the list of protests and look at the participant amounts.

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[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

Nazis being Nazis

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 days ago

"Good" old Nazi thinking never left the German elites, hence their "unwavering support" for a nation committing Genocide very openly because of the race of its people, hence the highly manipulated Press over there spreading and amplifying race-based views and hence their casual bypassing of legal rights to silence those who would demonstrate against such ultra-racism and the support of Genocide based on it.

They might have changed who the ubermenschen and the untermenshen are but they still keep on classifying people into those two categories by race and treating then very differently, as well as using force to silence dissent against such views and practices.

In light of Russia's aggressiveness, the recent news of Germany militarizing itself sounds like good news, but in light of the increasing regression of Germany back to their old extreme-racist and repressive practices those are very bad news - a Germany which thinks race justifies Genocide and suppresses by force dissent from such way of thinking is bound to sooner or later once again use such military power against those they deem "lesser races"

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