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I don't fit very well with the idea of masculinity. I'm just a goofy nerd with a gentle personality and the desire to make others happy. I have always wanted to look soft and approachable; I have smooth, rounded facial features, wavy hair, big glasses, and a clean-shaven face. My personality is utterly non-threatening. I love caring for people, I enjoy being silly and whimsical, I'm a bit clumsy and get flustered easily, I wouldn't hurt a fly (unless I had to), and I'm polite to a fault. My paradise is a warm, cozy, quiet safe haven surrounded by cute plushies.

I'm not manly in the slightest, and I love being that way. I'm a total softie through and through, and I purposely align my appearance with my personality. I look gentle because I am gentle.

I have always been treated differently than my male peers. Many people are inexplicably nicer or softer on me even if they barely know me. Female friends have fawned over me, calling me things like "cute," "adorable," and "sweetheart," and expressing a desire to protect me. And I love it. I don't find it offensive or infantilizing at all.

Through extensive introspection, I later figured out that care and nurturing are incredibly attractive to me, and the funny tickle I felt whenever I was shown care and protection by my female friends was actually a subtle tinge of attraction. It's rather curious that my personality and gender expression just happened to develop in such a way to subconsciously solicit that kind of attention.

This is all well and good, but I worry that this makes me categorically unsexy due to my intentional suppression of gendered characteristics and desire to give off pure, wholesome vibes. Could I really be sexually desirable if I'm the kind of person who apologizes to trees for bumping into them? Some women have even teasingly called me a "Christian" or "virgin" because of this perceived innocence, suggesting that some people do indeed associate my personality with sexual restraint or abstinence.

In reality, I absolutely do want a sexual relationship, and I have always imagined myself treating a partner with the same gentle caregiving energy that I myself crave. I don't do "naughty" or "dominant"; I would view a partner's body as something to passionately take care of, not something to tease or conquer.

I would appreciate some outside perspective on this. Thanks!

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Here's the thing. Most women I've met aren't superficial. If you were to gather a bunch of girls and get them to rank each other by attractiveness, you'd effectively get them ranked by extroversion. Also, a bunch of the stereotypical manly things make for bad partners.

I think a lot of the signals you are sending will be recieved as Dad Material. This means you will only attract girls that want to settle down and who imagine a future where you and a little mini version of them are having the best princess tea parties. I see this as a blessing, but this also means you will attract the crazy ones who want you to impregnate them immediately right now.

I am pretty similar to how you described yourself. Four years ago, i also was in a similar rut, although i had dated several girls at that point. Three years ago, I met a girl that was literally everything I wanted in a partner and more. A year and a half ago, I proposed to her, and this year we are going to get married. As far as I know, literally everyone who meets me tells her she's got the most amazing partner and that she's so lucky to have such a caring, polite sweetheart as her future husband. The only person who doesn't like me is her Karen of a mom, because I think she envisioned her perfect little girl marrying a rocket surgeon or something. I think this is similar to how you'll end up.

Also, if I'm reading you right, you sound like either a teen or a new adult, since you're still figuring yourself out. As an adult, I never had a hard time getting a partner; I suspect you won't either. Just keep working on yourself.

[–] missandry351@lemmings.world 5 points 3 days ago

Well, I find it atractive when a man doenst want to fit gender roles

[–] thatradomguy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I didn't have the guts to post when I first read this, but as someone who like Hello Kitty, Power Puff Girls, Totally Spies, and many other cute things, it feels pretty damn good knowing I'm not alone. Your post is very relatable to me. Society paints this weird picture, I think—but damn, so what if I think it would be nice if a girl wanted to give ME flowers? I like flowers!

Fuck society, @sprigatito_bread@lemmy.world ! Let's live our way!

Thanks for making my week. 🙂

[–] sprigatito_bread@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Hell yeah, friend! My cute shows were Pokemon, MLP FiM, and Hamtaro! And I imagine myself getting all blushy and giggly if a girl kissed me. This whole stoicism thing is overrated; I want to be turned into a blubbering mess!

When people like us are brave enough to express themselves out in the open, that is how change happens. It is through our influence that we normalize and validate the existence of like-minded people and inspire them to stand up alongside us. By virtue of simply existing and interacting with others, we nudge society ever so slightly in the direction of acceptance.

The tenderness in your soul is something incredibly precious. It is the power to heal, the power to bring joy, and the power to create harmony. It is the power to touch hearts and change lives. Don't ever let anyone ever convince you that it's a weakness. It is the most valuable treasure one can ever possess.

I'm honored to have given you a little bit of the validation that you deserve. Differences are what make us interesting and memorable to others, and intolerant people don't deserve the time of day. Once I stopped self-censoring to appease them, I was able to connect with so many more people. The benefits far outweighed the risks. I hope that you someday find the courage to express yourself in front of others too, if you haven't already.

[–] LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago

Bro, I'd love to change with you. I tend to be the opposite, I fear I often come off as aggressive and rude when in fact I am only pissed off at a computer for beeping the wrong way all week.

You say you have some (good) friends, have you considered just asking that? "How do you perceive me, I worry I look ?"

[–] cheers_queers@lemm.ee 3 points 3 days ago

I have an ex who is like you, and i love that about him, it is one of his most attractive qualities.. we are still besties but didnt work out due to me figuring out my identity as primarily being attracted to femme people (yes i think thats why i loved him so much lol) but he was not into presenting that way. Also i was becoming more and more masc and he's straight.

Now that i think about it, this might be the opposite of encouraging lmao...hopefully mine was just a fringe case, but honestly the only reason i would ever choose to do it differently if i could, would be because he would have those ywars back to find the right person. I don't regret the relationship and he's one of my dearest friends.

Anyyway, im high as fuck and im gonna go watch tv with my girl. Lol

I only have one piece of advice from my experiences: be your authentic self and dont be afraid to open yourself to others. If you do, the right people tend to just show up. its honestly magical. Good luck to you. :)

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

As a man, men think women care about looks more than they do.

Looks are much bigger for men than for women.

Obviously a massive generalisation, but in general. Like "men are physically stronger than women". Not all men are stronger than women but...

Anyway.

Looks really don't matter that much. I'd say women pay more attention to personality with the same difference as there is between how much men value looks vs how women value looks.

Also, if I was being very crude, I'd say "status" is the "looks" for women. That's what you get very beautiful women with older rich men more than you do young hot men with old riches women.

But I'd like not to be crude so disregard that last bit.

[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I can't speak for all women, but looks for me are a yes/no binary, but a primary filter. So if a guy looks good enough, attractive to me, then I can be attracted to him if he's attractive in other ways. But there's no bonus for better than good enough, better looking doesn't matter at all. It is quite important - nobody has ever moved out of the appearance "no" bucket into the "yes". But there is no 1-10 scaling, no consideration beyond the yes/no, I'm never going to be more attracted to a man just because he's gorgeous.

[–] GaMEChld@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

There's someone out there for everyone. I wish you luck finding them.

[–] weirdbeardgame@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago
[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Cute? like a baby turtle!!

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[–] dwemthy@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Absolutely brother!

Most people are attracted to others or not attracted to other based on visual information and pheromone information. Then secondarily, people become more or less attracted to someone based on personality.

So if your personality is not dominant and comes across as submissive or mild, that really probably has zero impact at all on the initial attraction of others.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago

you just need more cool friends. feminine men are out there dating lesbians all the time.

[–] Hikermick@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

You do you, it's the only true ay to be happy. You'll attract women that were raised in a family where the wife took on a more dominant role and the father was a chill laid back guy. In my experience it's inevitable, we're made up of our parents DNA.

Gonna put this out there because nobody else has said it but you might want to glance over at @egg_irl@lemmy.blahaj.zone and see how things relate to you. You are perfectly within your rights to be a lesbian if you would prefer that.

[–] riverSpirit@thelemmy.club 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You can, but overall women won’t appreciate it. For all the talk, nearly every couple you see outside is conventional.

So you’ll be looking at 1% of your dating pool, and having to find a suitable match from that reduced choice.

This guy doesn't sound basic so why would he want those basic bitches? 😂

Do you wanna be mostly/sorta/un happy with someone that was easy to get because you were role playing someone else, or do you want to be truly happy with the person that accepted you as you are, but took a lot more effort to find?

Different people will make different choices in that situation. Everyone has to decide for themselves.

[–] mindaika@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 day ago

Sure, you can be whatever kind of man you want. You probably won’t find a lot of … “conventionally attractive” women who are into that though

[–] Copythis@lemmy.world -4 points 1 day ago

This is how you end up in an abusive relationship....

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