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Before I say anything further, yes I know how much the recommended VPNs cost. I can read. Please do not interrogate me about it.

I've been wanting to get into torrenting for a while, particularly contributing to private trackers related to music (and to a lesser extent retro games, though I don't have much original stuff to put there as it's harder to find rare games than rare music). FMHY recommends RiseUp if I must get a free VPN while I'm working on my financial situation, though I'm not sure whether it's been tested in court. What are my options, if any?

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[–] hydrashok@sh.itjust.works 77 points 1 day ago

If you don’t have the money for a proper VPN provider, you definitely don’t have the money for a legal defense if it came to that. Save your money and only begin once you can afford reasonable protections.

[–] seathru@lemmy.sdf.org 51 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Use someone else's wifi.

I used to park my car in a Home Depot parking lot when I went to work with a laptop torrenting until the battery died.

[–] comrade_twisty@feddit.org 19 points 1 day ago

I lived above a Starbucks for a while, that was the best VPN I ever had!

[–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 5 points 1 day ago

Hard to get a positive seed ratio this way, but definitely seems like best bet for someone that can't afford airvpn

[–] Ilandar@lemmy.today 50 points 1 day ago (1 children)

RiseUp is slow and intended for activists and the politically vulnerable. It's not for poor people who cannot afford a $5 a month VPN. You will be fucking over people with much more legitimate use cases than yours if you start using it for torrenting.

I see... Not sure what I'm supposed to do then.

[–] _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus 48 points 1 day ago (1 children)

this is like asking how to safely hook up with strangers at the bar if you can't afford condoms to help protect you from STIs. if you can't afford a VPN, you can't afford to get disconnected by your ISP for three strikes, let alone afford a settlement because some copyright troll logged your IP as a downloader. just don't do it until you can properly put some safeguards in place.

[–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Public WiFi exists and it's also pretty easy to get free condoms.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Pro tip: Never use public WiFi without wearing a condom.

[–] _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why does this anti poor bullshit have so many upvotes? Public WiFi exists and it’s also pretty easy to get free condoms.

hey hows about you go fuck yourself

[–] liliumstar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You can get into private trackers and trust them. Not recommended, but some do.

Generally speaking, the copyright trolls only target public trackers and DHT. There have been some instances of them making way into TL and others. Your ISP could also identify torrenting on private trackers if they wanted to, even with mitigations. In my experience and from what I hear, most ISPs do not go to these lengths.

So, there a risk doing the above. Whether or not it's worth it until you can afford a decent VPN is up to you.

Aside: Please do not use a free VPN for torrenting (or tor, for that matter). They are either like RiseUp and run on donations for people who really, really need them, or Proton which is commercial and specifically try to block or slow down the traffic. Either way, if ruins it for everyone else.

[–] theangriestbird@beehaw.org 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Either way, if ruins it for everyone else.

How does it ruin it for everyone else? One slow peer does not ruin the network.

[–] liliumstar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 17 hours ago

I meant in the context of the VPN. It slows down the network for everyone on one which is run by donation. For commercial companies, it incentivizes them to further lock down what users can do or what speeds they get.

[–] Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 1 day ago

I would suggest don't.

For downloading, look at DDL sites.

For uploading, if you can't do it safely, don't. Stash it all, make backups, keep it until you can do it safely.

[–] Jessica@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 1 day ago

If you use private trackers, a VPN is irrelevant. All you need to do is fully encrypt your traffic in your torrent client so your ISP can't see what you're doing. It's been working just fine for me for 15 years, and I've never gotten a letter.

[–] rozodru@pie.andmc.ca 14 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I mean you can avoid all that. If you're just interested in music and retro games then just use soulseek and use the rom megathread. both of which are going to be either peer to peer or direct downloads. no torrenting.

Rom megathread (web search it) has quite literally everything. no need to search, no need to torrent, it's all right there. And soulseek with Nicotine+ just works like napster. sign up, be sure to share your music library, and then have at it.

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[–] HumanPerson@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I2p is slow and lacks selection but could work.

[–] ScratchySoft@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

Ok so, I was gonna top level comment, but somebody already mentioned I2P, so:


I2P.

https://geti2p.net/en/docs/applications/bittorrent

Now, with normally configured I2P, you can only torrent or file share with other I2P users/nodes/sites.

But, you can also set up an 'out-proxy', to connect to the broader 'net, via I2P, essentially using it as a giant, dynamic maze of proxies, where all your traffic is arguably better encrypted than via Tor.

Or, you could actually use Tor as the out-proxy, for... ludicrous levels of encryption maze.

https://geti2p.net/en/about/browser-config

Its slow though. Much slower than all but the most dogshit free vpns.

But... that's the tier you already appear to be at, lol.


Uh yeah, you can use I2P to access/browse and torrent from the clearnet, not just the I2P net, you just have to properly set up I2P with an out proxy.

I believe the youtuber Mental Outlaw has some videos that walk you through both how to do an I2P basic set up, and an out-proxy set up.

Also, general privacy/security tip:

configure your webbrowser to only do DNS over HTTPS, also known as DoH.

Use Ublock, Canvas Blocker, Privacy Badger, test your web fingerprint with EFF's tool, make sure all your shit is actually configured right before torrenting anything, use sites that try to trace route you and find your real ip, make sure you don't have any... emergency fallback to not using your VPN or I2P or normal HTTP.

[–] ScratchySoft@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 19 hours ago

I'll be sure to take a look. Thank you.

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[–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Borrowed WiFi is definitely your best bet. Find a place with a fast public WiFi network you can reach from your car.

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[–] jbone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

An alternative that hasn't been presented yet.

Why not use less well known foreign public trackers? Rutracker has a stupid amount of content, including a lot of niche music content.

If you are worried about Rutracker being too well known, you can try Mazepa Torrent. This is only relevant for movies and shows. Their collection isn't as good as rutracker, but they have most new releases. While the default audio language is Ukrainian, English is always included (this would an issue for non-English language movies/shows, but English subtitles are usually included).

[–] plateee@piefed.social 9 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Look at newsgroups - some indexers are free, others have a lifetime fee that's reasonable. I moved to nzbs and haven't looked back - I can't get dinged for sharing copyrighted stuff if I'm only downloading, never uploading.

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[–] i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago

There’s a few free vpn providers out there. You could do a little homework and see if they are a good option. I tend to mistrust free services like that (if I’m not paying, who is, and what are they paying for?), but if you’re in a pinch it’s something to research.

Another option is to look for deals. Sometimes VPN providers will have a super sale a few times a year. I think once I got a NordVPN subscription for THREE YEARS for like $60. It’s more expensive than a single month of anything, yes, but if you can afford a onetime expense it’s nice not to have to worry about a recurring monthly cost.

Your other option is to not use torrents. Usenet is still the grand daddy of file sharing and is pretty much anonymous. Most Usenet hosts are paid, but back in the day even ISPs ran their own servers. It could be worth looking and seeing if there’s any free or low cost providers there.

[–] sobchak@programming.dev 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Tribler or i2p.

Edit: there are also non-bittorrent p2p networks out there like Retroshare, but I haven't used them, so don't know how useful they are.

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[–] xnx@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I use Cloudflare Warp and make qbittorrent only able to torrent if it’s connected to Warp

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[–] sefra1@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago

I don't usually recommend this, but since you are in a situation where you really can't afford a VPN or a seedbox and live in a country where torrenting is prosecuted then I think that grants a free pass to abuse the tor network a bit and torrent over tor.

There are some guides online on now to route the traffic, note that it's very easy to leak traffic if you don't know what you're doing. Look for a good guide . I'm guessing the safest way to do it is by using Whonix.

If going that route avoid downloading big torrents if you can find smaller ones or try to search for direct downloads first.

And also, I don't usually say this, but, avoid seeding. Yes leeching is bad, but saturating tor is probably worse I think.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 5 points 17 hours ago

I would prioritize a VPN ahead of an ISP. Free Open/Public APs are not uncommon in my area.

[–] palarith@aussie.zone 4 points 1 day ago

Its being a while for me but windscribe and seedr had totally usable free tiers

Find a friend in a less shit place you can proxy through.

[–] horse@feddit.org 3 points 13 hours ago

If you can share the cost of a VPN with one or more other people (most allow multiple devices to connect at the same time), it'll be much cheaper. Or if you can't afford that either, try to find someone who will let you use theirs for free. Maybe you can even find someone who isn't tech savvy who will pay you a few bucks a month to cover the VPN in exchange for you downloading Linux ISOs for them.

[–] theangriestbird@beehaw.org 3 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Doesn't Proton have a free VPN tier? I think it doesn't support port forwarding so your connections would be limited, but that might still work?

Otherwise, check the megathread and go with direct downloads. Those happen over https so completely encrypted.

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[–] lIlIllIlIIIllIlIlII@lemmy.zip 3 points 21 hours ago

Use torrent over ipfs. Qbittorrent can do it.

[–] dumfuq@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

You can use torrent to direct link services like seedr.cc, however they have max size limit.

[–] BlueEther@no.lastname.nz 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Move down under to New Zealand - although we do have a 3 strikes law, the clament has to pay all fees upfront to thr ISP and get a court order first...

We mostly raw dog it down here

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